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re: What does China think Trump will do, fold?
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:08 pm to lake chuck fan
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:08 pm to lake chuck fan
He went into this as blind as he did with Elon and DOGE. The Left has no rebuttal as their typical 'say nothing, hyperbolic rhetoric' has NO STANDING when the adults are in the room. Have we already forgotten their candidate, who couldn't say "See Jack run" to save her life? Or how about Timbo, what a load of horseshite!
The Left offers NOTHING in this arena as they have NOTHING to offer but practices that brought us to this moment. We were heading over the cliff on so many of the Left's ill conceived positions that they cannot find a path to the middle without annihilating their core [their extremists] and it serves them right.
And to think, I grew up as a Democrat....sheesh
The Left offers NOTHING in this arena as they have NOTHING to offer but practices that brought us to this moment. We were heading over the cliff on so many of the Left's ill conceived positions that they cannot find a path to the middle without annihilating their core [their extremists] and it serves them right.
And to think, I grew up as a Democrat....sheesh
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:08 pm to Captain Rumbeard
quote:Certainly there is that potential. Trump has caught China in an economic bind. But it's still a far, far cry from Xi's ouster.
This is going to be real nasty at the end.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:13 pm to Padme
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What does China think Trump will do, fold?
He might have to. We'll see.
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For 1, it’s not his personality. But even if it were, he can’t turn back now, he’s basically committed. There is no putting the genie back now. If he blinks with China, then all the soft arse euro trash countries will pile on. Making this world-wide means Trump is ready to die on this hill.
So what are the chicoms thinking? Do they think Trump will fold? Or do they think they can’t lose? Are they willing to bite it, just to make a point?
I really don't care about his personality when it comes to this shite. The governance of a nation cannot be rooted in pride, vanity and hubris. All things Trump is prone to. If he has to buckle, then he buckles. He has three years to do some positive things that make us forget this frick up.
China has a powerful hand in all this, and it looks like this may come down to a gut check. What do you trust more, our ability to willfully choose discomfort or the Chinese Government's ability to force discomfort on it's own people?
I really don't know who buckles first on this but I do know that politically the American voice is extremely loud and there are consequences when politicians don't listen.
What are we willing to tolerate by choice versus what the Chinese people will be forced to tolerate? Given the choice of enduring pain or not. People will always choose not.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:13 pm to tiger789
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perhaps he knows a few things that we do not know
but SeldomSperm keeps telling us HE knows more than Trump.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:15 pm to Padme
It’s a repayment for COVID.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:16 pm to tiger789
quote:There's alot swirling about their economy. And for sure he has more intel on that than any of us, media, or "experts".
perhaps he knows a few things that we do not know ....lets sit back and enjoy it!
There's a reason he pulled security clearances before this plan hit paper internally, much less publicly.
It is a risk however. Any economic intel is hazy because it's all predictive. That's one of the points of weaponized AI. Maybe Elon has brought something to the fight we have no idea about, maybe not.
But the risk is in time. China has chose to respond by means other than negotiation. So it is attrition now. Attrition needs time to play out.
We have one advantage for that though, maybe, is that China's other trading partners are also coming to the table. In those cases they may get a favorable deal without "leveling the playing field" in their case just to hurt China and eventually bring them to the table.
That's why this is so broad. It isn't ONLY about one-on-one. We can use the other side, each them, against each other in some circumstance. We're ringleading this circus; that gives power to use countries against each other.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:17 pm to Padme
As we had learned with Milley, CCP possesses it’s own communication channels with the “resistance” here in the U.S.
I’m sure CCP is counting on it’s allies in the “resistance” to help derail DJT.
I’m sure CCP is counting on it’s allies in the “resistance” to help derail DJT.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:21 pm to Padme
The CCP will make a deal giving Trump everything he wants.
Then not follow through.
That’s the China way.
Then not follow through.
That’s the China way.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:22 pm to pecxs
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So far, China hasn't lost anything. The tariffs are all paid by the importers. In the long run, US companies will form supplier chains without China.
There's a "long run" in all this? We'd better frickin' hope not.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:24 pm to NC_Tigah
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They think they can outlast Trump's 4yrs, flood the EU with their exports, and work with a weaker US alternative in 2028.
They don't have to outlast Trump for four years. One way or another, win or lose, this shite's over before Christmas and the Chinese know it.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:25 pm to Captain Rumbeard
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This is a bigger deal for the leadership in China than here because if they ever lose control over those peasants, they're all going to die within a week and they know it. So they have to look like they're in charge at all times. This is going to be real nasty at the end.
This is a scenario I'm curious about.
How much pain, and for how long, would it take for a billion Chinamen to say they've had enough.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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Trump has been playing the tariffs game out in his head for a long, long time. Negotiation is right in the middle of his wheelhouse. It's a very complicated game. But it's painfully foolish to think he's not a couple of moves ahead on this stuff.
morgan freeman voiceover - he isn't
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:26 pm to Padme
They will fold. Not sure what people think their other option is.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:29 pm to Seldom Seen
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And what does Trump think China will do? He's just escalating everything further to a full on trade war.
We had a $295B trade deficit with China last year. This needs to happen and China will fold before we do.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:40 pm to BuckyCheese
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How much pain, and for how long, would it take for a billion Chinamen to say they've had enough.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:43 pm to BuckyCheese
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How much pain, and for how long, would it take for a billion Chinamen to say they've had enough.
That time element is the one I think Trump is planning on. He knows he's got two years. He can tell everybody to shut the frick up and hold and they won't be able to stop it. They don't have that kind of time. They've got a ton of fingers in the dam right now already. It's now becoming a currency war.
Loving bitcoin more every day.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:59 pm to BuckyCheese
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This is a scenario I'm curious about.
How much pain, and for how long, would it take for a billion Chinamen to say they've had enough.
I think it might've been Mao or some other Chinaman who said this...The only thing you need to do to keep the Chinese people from revolting is keep a bowl of rice on every table.
So to answer your question. They could probably endure a lot more than us.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:00 pm to Padme
Trump has Art of the Deal. China has Art of War.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:02 pm to Gator5220
War? Lol
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:03 pm to The Maj
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they are being paid or they are heavily invested....
as I've said before......Roger might be being paid to bleed all over the board, but he ain't invested in shite. Dude is MC Hammer broke.
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