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re: What’s not being talked about in regards to the shooting
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:15 am to AGGIES
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:15 am to AGGIES
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But his life was not in danger when he shot her.
It’s a factual statement to say the car was moving away from the cop when he fired his weapon.
So if the cop did not move from his position from when the wheels started moving, he wouldn't have been run over?
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Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:16 am to EphesianArmor
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Technically? I suppose the LEO can be claimed to have been "protecting himself from "harm" or "assault".
Not a technicality. The standard is clear. Your ignorance to it doesn’t change a thing.
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Another "fact" -- using deadly force in this case in the overly aggressive manner he did was unwarranted by any properly trained emotionally stable LEO.
Has nothing to do with the legal standard and is clearly just your biased opinion. Learn the legal standard and stop being an ignorant moron.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:17 am to AGGIES
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Not every moving vehicle fleeing a scene is a threat to other people’s lives.
There is no way you can know that.
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The policy allows deadly force only in limited circumstances, such as when someone in the vehicle is threatening another person with deadly force
Thus, the reason she was shot.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:20 am to boogiewoogie1978
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So you don't the OP was doing any of these? If not what is OPs point in your opinion?
I know what the point is. I know what was being asked.
The reality? Don't expect the right to completely flip and fall in line when the left decides to pull the hypocrisy handle. Here is how the left wants it.
1)the left when someone that dares speak ill of the left: "hahahahaha.. that idiot FAFO!!! Lulz!!! Good riddance!!!! Hahahahaha!!
2) the left when a leftist is harmed: "what are you saying here?? You people on the right are supposed to be blah blah blah blah."
"Yes Mr leftist.. you are right. We should be more blah blah blah."
"Glad you came around."
3) as little as hours or days after #2:
"hahahahaha.. that idiot FAFO!!! Lulz!!! Good riddance!!!! Hahahahaha!!
Sorry. Everyone is sick of that shite and not playing that game anymore.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:26 am to CleverUserName
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:30 am to AGGIES
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It’s a factual statement to say the car was moving away from the cop when he fired his weapon.
It was not at the fist shot and had already made violent contact with him.
After she hit him and for his follow up shot he was to the side. By then where was she going? Were there other officers in her path who with the momentum she now had were in even higher danger?
The only fact is if she were compliant when told to get out of the vehicle she is alive in jail and not dead in the morgue.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:33 am to BBONDS25
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Not a technicality.
"Technically" yes it is a "win" for proponents of "self-defense" and "feared for my life". But these claims WILL be scrutinized and robustly challenged by the video and audio evidence.
It can also be said that the LEO was sloppy and negligent.
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The standard is clear. Your ignorance to it doesn’t change a thing.
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[ unwarranted, unnecessary deadly force by any properly trained emotionally stable LEO ] Has nothing to do with the legal standard and is clearly just your biased opinion. Learn the legal standard and stop being an ignorant moron.
Uh, ok F. Lee. Let's just ignore all extenuating circumstances, conditions, officer sloppiness, negligence and panicking.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:46 am to deltaland
What a pusssy if he thought his life was in danger. When did the Trumpers become afraid of Karen's??!?
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:49 am to IvoryBillMatt
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The first shot through the windshield didn't kill her. She was still driving the car when one of the next two shots through the open window incapacitated her. I don't agree this was murder---the agent feared for his life---but, this video breaks down the shot sequence well.
Does not matter. In America, any remotely close call—officer gets the benefit of the doubt. Not giving an opinion on if that’s right or wrong, but that is what our courts have said.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:50 am to Average_Comments
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What a pusssy if he thought his life was in danger.
1) That’s not the standard
2) You would’ve pissed down your leg
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:50 am to onmymedicalgrind
quote:When did you come back around to this hell hole?
onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:51 am to AGGIES
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AGGIES
do you yell leaders bend over in slo-mo also?
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:53 am to EphesianArmor
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Uh, ok F. Lee. Let's just ignore all extenuating circumstances, conditions, officer sloppiness, negligence and panicking.
Correct. The standard is the standard is the standard. It is what keeps morons like you from convicting people based upon your uneducated feels.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:55 am to idlewatcher
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This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:56 am to AGGIES
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But the legal argument for believing he was in imminent danger is flimsy if the vehicle was not even moving towards him.
Your statement makes it clear that you are just not familiar with the case low on these deadly force/fourth amendment seizure cases. He will 100% get qualified immunity in this case.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 11:58 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The minute she put the car in gear and revved that engine she, and she alone, sealed her fate. If she wasn’t there at all, if she was merely protesting but not interfering, if she had obeyed the order to get out of the car, if she didn’t put the car in gear all would have had different outcomes. Those are the true factual statements.
And this encapsulates the facts and the truth. Nothing else can be said that matters.
Case closed.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:01 pm to EphesianArmor
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"Technically" yes it is a "win" for proponents of "self-defense" and "feared for my life". But these claims WILL be scrutinized and robustly challenged by the video and audio evidence. It can also be said that the LEO was sloppy and negligent.
It will be scrutinized in the context of previous eight circuit case law. Like it or not, police are giving wide latitude to make reasonable mistakes on the job. The LEO’s lawyer will not have a tough argument to make if this lady’s estate sues him.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:03 pm to Wolfhound45
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When did you come back around to this hell hole?
“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!”
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:04 pm to Average_Comments
"What a pusssy if he thought his life was in danger. When did the Trumpers become afraid of Karen's??!?"
we meant to notify you. It happened when you left Mom's basement for a few minutes to warm up your hot pocket in the microwave.
we meant to notify you. It happened when you left Mom's basement for a few minutes to warm up your hot pocket in the microwave.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 12:05 pm to BBONDS25
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Where did you get your legal training?
FTR, I got mine from YouTube University, and now I love listening to audio recordings of circuit court of appeals cases. I know, I’m a weirdo….
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