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re: Why can't Mexico get it together?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:53 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:53 am to Mo Jeaux
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There is already quite a bit of private equity activity in Mexico.
I believe there's actually a push to privatize their currently nationalized oil industry because it's costing the govt too much to run it.
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:53 am to AUCE05
I definitely wasn't implying they're the same. I've just always been baffled at the lack of progress in a continent the size of Africa. It's 4th world. 2016, and people still live in straw huts and wear rags. I know they received a tremendous amount of aid from the US & other nations but damn, why can't they progress at all?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:56 am to AUCE05
That's why. The Founding Fathers of this great nation were an anomaly never before seen, and probably never will be again. They understood human nature, power, nation building, individual rights, and checks and balances with brutal clarity. Add their faith in a higher power that bestows us with our rights and a Puritan work ethic to that mix and you have the blueprint of this nation.
America was truly founded in a "perfect storm".
Mexico has great potential, but it's structure fosters power centers with the richest, very little middle class, and a large lower class work force that is one step up from slavery.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:58 am to TygerTyger
I agree that their structure is bad, and will add that the US should take a hard stance on any Mexican aid, requiring they make drastic systemic changes to improve their country.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:58 am to 225bred
The lines on google earth do not represent what actually takes place in Africa. Each village may have a different language, and they all hate each other. Think of Europe on a larger scale. The only reason Europe is stable is because the US military maintains peace. The amount of different demographics in Africa is amazing. They have a few 100,000 years on the rest of us. I know what you are getting at tho.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:59 am to Nado Jenkins83
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corruption
This. It's not just drug cartels. The govt is corrupt from the top all the way down to your local police precinct. If you want anything from a govt official you have to pay a bribe.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:00 pm to Zach
That's fixable. Why don't they fix it?
Is it just because it's full of Mexicans or is there legit systemic problems?
Is it just because it's full of Mexicans or is there legit systemic problems?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:03 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
How many countries in the world made up predominately of "people of color" are not considered 3rd world?
Whitey holds everyone everywhere down. Don't you know that?
Technically the term originally meant something different anyway.
After WW2 Counties aligned with the US were considered 1st world
Countries aligned with the Soviet Union were considered 2nd World.
And all others were considered 3rd world
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:12 pm to Honest Tune
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Drug cartels control the country.
This. Plus they still have a caste system down there. You're either rich or poor there is no middle class and no getting ahead if you're down at the bottom.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Corruption.
What they need is someone like Pinochet to come in and install an authoritarian regime that cracks down on institutional corruption and the cartels. We've done them a major disservice by encouraging democracy there when they don't have enough Western European influence to be capable of democracy without a ton of corruption that drags down the whole system. They'd be a lot better off with a military dictatorship. I hope Trump finds them a suitable leader.
What they need is someone like Pinochet to come in and install an authoritarian regime that cracks down on institutional corruption and the cartels. We've done them a major disservice by encouraging democracy there when they don't have enough Western European influence to be capable of democracy without a ton of corruption that drags down the whole system. They'd be a lot better off with a military dictatorship. I hope Trump finds them a suitable leader.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:17 pm to Cooter Davenport
Had dinner with a Brazilian one time that had an interesting take.
He said the US and Canada are unique in the Americas because of the first people who settled there from Europe.
In the US and Canada, these people came to build something new and stay.
In Latin America, they came to trade/plunder, then take it back home.
It's simplistic and hardly all-encompassing, but probably has some merit.
He said the US and Canada are unique in the Americas because of the first people who settled there from Europe.
In the US and Canada, these people came to build something new and stay.
In Latin America, they came to trade/plunder, then take it back home.
It's simplistic and hardly all-encompassing, but probably has some merit.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:21 pm to Ag Zwin
It's a solid theory.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:23 pm to Ag Zwin
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It's simplistic and hardly all-encompassing, but probably has some merit.
It has a TON of merit.
The Spanish and Portuguese came looking for loot. Secondary to that, they set up slave colonies with the minimum necessary from their own countries to run them.
In the United States, you had what amounted to cultists escaping religious persecution whose whole point in coming was to stay forever. In the south, you had the establishment of a slave economy, BUT, you also still had people coming there from Europe to start farms and stay - it wasn't JUST an imperial outpost manned by Spanish or Portuguese who couldn't wait to go back home, like S. America.
Also bear in mind that Mexicans are a STRONG racial admixture of the indigenous population with a minority of the mixture being Iberian. They're MOSTLY indians. Ever been to a reservation?
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:26 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
white people bad
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Mexico has a lot of disadvantages, geographically. Let's start with the basics:
- lower quality or area of arable land for agriculture
- no significant winter to help with natural disease vector control
- lack of navigable rivers to cheaply bring products to market
- small coastal plains in arable regions
- few deep natural harbors
Mexico is hamstrung by all of this, whereas we and Canada started with a leg up. There are more reasons than you think for why Europeans settlers picked the countries they did, or why some countries just do better than their neighbors.
- lower quality or area of arable land for agriculture
- no significant winter to help with natural disease vector control
- lack of navigable rivers to cheaply bring products to market
- small coastal plains in arable regions
- few deep natural harbors
Mexico is hamstrung by all of this, whereas we and Canada started with a leg up. There are more reasons than you think for why Europeans settlers picked the countries they did, or why some countries just do better than their neighbors.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:33 pm to AUCE05
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Not the same. Africa is basically hundreds of different little countries, which have different cultures and languages. Mexico is mostly homogeneous, but has bad management. Big brother to the north protects them from invaders, and supports them financially. They don't really have any motivation to progress.
No it isn't. The Mexican whites control the country while those with native ancestry are the underlings. The whites in Mexico want all of these people gone, which is why they support them coming here.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:38 pm to Vander
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The Mexican whites control the country while those with Aztec or Mayan ancestry are the underlings. The whites in Mexico want all of these people gone, which is why they support them coming here.
Yes. This is true. 99% of Americans aren't aware the dynamic there. The country is ruled by a small minority of Iberians and the people you see flooding our country are the majority underclass of indians.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:47 pm to LSUBanker
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I wondered the same while visting in Sept for wedding anniversary near Playa Del Carmen. Citizens work their arse off and they can't get ahead in life. I asked a taxi driver and he said it's all b/c of corruption.
Kids cheat in school everywhere, including and especially here in the US. But would you likely ever hear a US student defend cheating as a moral obligation? However, while working in schools in Latin America several years ago, I encountered students who defended helping their friend cheat, claiming that it was their obligation to help their friend.
When corruption is endemic to a culture, prosperity is difficult.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:56 pm to Vander
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No it isn't. The Mexican whites control the country while those with native ancestry are the underlings. The whites in Mexico want all of these people gone, which is why they support them coming here.
Yep.
I spend some time in Mexico City on business and I couldn't believe how "racist" Mexicans were.
The south hates the north, and everyone with legit money looks white. Red hair, Russian last names, total mindfrick.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 12:59 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Mexico is a mess. A waste
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