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re: Why can’t we be allies with Russia??
Posted on 10/20/23 at 7:42 am to SmackoverHawg
Posted on 10/20/23 at 7:42 am to SmackoverHawg
quote:We were not the only WW2 victors who captured German rocket scientists.
Sputnik
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:08 am to Antoninus
quote:Right.
We we’re not the only WW2 victors who captured German rocket scientists.
But we were the only ones to put them in charge of our Launch Operations Center, Engine Development, Ballistic Missile Design, Launch Vehicle and Propulsion Development for a Moonshot, Development of Ballistic Missile Guidance Systems, plus all the stuff that von Braun did.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:09 am to Antoninus
quote:This!
Because we did a pretty good job of handling relations with our former enemies after WW2, and a TERRIBLE job of it after the fall of the USSR.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:17 am to UFownstSECsince1950
The Marxists in DC need a boogeyman to keep the MIC going and to blame unexpected election results on.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 9:22 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Cause they won't have anyone to blame for election interference or mi's information
Posted on 10/20/23 at 9:25 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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If we can be close allies with Japan, England, Germany, Italy, etc etc, why can’t we with Russia by now?
None of those have designs on being a global hegemon and none of them have invaded a neighbor post-WW2.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 9:59 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Maybe in the future, but not now. Putin doesn't want to work with the West. He wants to work with China and establish a rival sphere of influence. I'd love to live in the world where Russia gets along with its neighbors, but that's not happening.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:27 am to CorchJay
No, Russia is a multi-cultural, and multi-racial society.
The Russian orthodox church is entirely state-controlled, and firmly enmeshed as an arm of the state. The Kremlin gives talking points to the Russian orthodox church.
It is true that Putin has abandoned appealing to liberals, but it's wrong to call him a conservative. He has firmly rejected classical liberalism. He makes overtures to cultural conservativism to try and control and pacify the masses. It's all an act. He's not religious, not married, and doesn't have a family iirc.
The Russian orthodox church is entirely state-controlled, and firmly enmeshed as an arm of the state. The Kremlin gives talking points to the Russian orthodox church.
It is true that Putin has abandoned appealing to liberals, but it's wrong to call him a conservative. He has firmly rejected classical liberalism. He makes overtures to cultural conservativism to try and control and pacify the masses. It's all an act. He's not religious, not married, and doesn't have a family iirc.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:31 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Why can’t we be allies with Russia??
Because politicians who got to Washington in the 1970's and won't fricking leave say so.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:58 am to Rule 303
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It is true that Putin has abandoned appealing to liberals, but it's wrong to call him a conservative. He has firmly rejected classical liberalism. He makes overtures to cultural conservativism to try and control and pacify the masses. It's all an act. He's not religious, not married, and doesn't have a family iirc.
The Putin Bros won't like this.
Putin is pro choice, anti free speech, anti free media, is a habitual liar,rigs every election, and is anti U.S.
Yet Trumpkins love the firmer KGB agent.
Ronald Reagan is spinning in his grave.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:08 am to UFownstSECsince1950
They are white
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:16 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Peace is bad for business. The America Military-Industrial-Intelligence complex needs a global enemy to get funding.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:03 pm to Rule 303
Putin’s mother was Orthodox and had him baptized as a child.
Divorced, has two children. No one can see inside his head, but he goes to service every Sunday. He’s quoted the Orthodox religious philosopher, and White Russian, Ivan Ilyan several times.
Ilyan died in exile, Putin had his body returned and reburied in a state service. That wasn’t necessary, so at minimum he considered it a good idea. I think it’s most likely that he likes Ilyan‘s ideas.
Putin has also funded church building across the country. His critics say he’s too generous to the Muslim population though, and they hate the Muslim migrant workers that he’s brought in from Central Asia.
This goes back to Byzantium. The state is the center of legal and moral authority.
quote:
It's all an act. He's not religious, not married, and doesn't have a family iirc.
Divorced, has two children. No one can see inside his head, but he goes to service every Sunday. He’s quoted the Orthodox religious philosopher, and White Russian, Ivan Ilyan several times.
Ilyan died in exile, Putin had his body returned and reburied in a state service. That wasn’t necessary, so at minimum he considered it a good idea. I think it’s most likely that he likes Ilyan‘s ideas.
Putin has also funded church building across the country. His critics say he’s too generous to the Muslim population though, and they hate the Muslim migrant workers that he’s brought in from Central Asia.
quote:
The Russian orthodox church is entirely state-controlled,
This goes back to Byzantium. The state is the center of legal and moral authority.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:14 pm to Eurocat
quote:
people never smile
This is a basic Slavic norm.
Slavs don’t walk around smiling because it’s not considered honest behavior. You should only smile when something makes you happy. And happiness is a transitory emotion.
For the same reason Slavs don’t say things like “how was your day” and expect a polite reply.
If you ask a Slav that question, they will give you a painfully honest, warts and all, response.
Being genuine is a core cultural value.
Did you go on a mission trip to Russian Appalachia?
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Sure we can look at some cuties in Moscow and say they are just like us.
They are a European people, but they’re not just like us. They are much more community focused, and have a much stronger sense of family, and nation. I was struck by how people constantly recognized me as a person in a way that does not happen in Western cultures.
They have their problems, and many of the same problems we have, but their culture is in better shape than ours, which was shocking to me. How can that be true after 79 years of Soviet rule. And what happened to us?
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:26 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
Russia is a competitor as an arms dealer.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:35 pm to CorchJay
quote:
Our education system is made to create Consumers
Fixed that for you.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:44 pm to POTUS2024
quote:We SHOULD BE.
We can be.
There should be a huge number of common interests
Posted on 10/20/23 at 1:47 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
quote:cause they keep invading and annexing parts of Europe?
Why can’t we be allies with Russia??
Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:57 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Putin’s mother was Orthodox and had him baptized as a child.
Divorced, has two children.
That's all fair. I concede that.
Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:01 pm to Lima Whiskey
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And what happened to us?
Mostly unfettered access to the internet and the advent/unrestrained growth of social media.
It has left western society superficial, vapid, and untethered from its roots.
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