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re: Why couldn't Trump just keep his word and be a president of peace?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 8:58 am to Tunasntigers92
Posted on 1/4/26 at 8:58 am to Tunasntigers92
Ask the people of Venezuela if they have peace now
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:02 am to TBoy
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There is rumbling that Putin suggested to Trump a swap of Venezuela for Ukraine.
A rumbling from whom?
That would be next level stupid…from Russia.
They are in control in Ukraine.
Cratering oil prices would destroy them.
Where do you get your lunacy?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:03 am to Tunasntigers92
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We invaded a fricking South American country
We did?
When?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:03 am to jimmy the leg
You will NOT get a source from Tboy on this fantasy shite.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:09 am to stout
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people who never post on the PB are suddenly showing up and repeating CNN talking points they were spoon fed on Facebook
It's a lot easier than thinking.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:10 am to Tunasntigers92
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Why couldn't Trump just keep his word and be a president of peace?
And let China take over Latin America? And let Russia reestablish an empire in Central Asia and the Caucasus? And let Iran destabilize the Middle East? How long do you thing America would stay free if pussied out like that?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:18 am to Tunasntigers92
As Red would say, "Dumbass"
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:25 am to Narax
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We took oit their leader because it takes a Chinese Russian ally out of our back yard.
Yeah. The same China our political class's financiers rely on for EVERYTHING that drives their stock prices? Makes total sense. If you've got shite for brains, anyway.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:31 am to stout
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By rumblings you mean other retards like you made it up?
No. I mean that this was suggested by the Russians in 2019 and has been a recurring proposal from the Russian side since that time.
The following is from an interview with Fiona Hill in 2021 describing the situation back in 2019 published by the Council on Foreign Relations:
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And there was an episode when I was sent out to deal directly with the Russians in April 2019, when we were trying to resolve the situation in Venezuela to basically try to get a coalition of countries together, to force Maduro to recognize the Guaidó interim government and to try to put Venezuela on a different track, thereafter Madura basically affects a self-coup keep himself in power there. And we were constantly getting kind of thwarted by various different issues.
It wasn't the most strategic approach that could have been done but, a lot of complaints about that as well. But we managed to frame it in such a way that the Russians immediately saw an opportunity for doing one of these great geopolitical exchanges. I mean, people may recall that the Russians very quickly moved to take advantage of the Venezuela situation, to send in a whole bunch of GRU military intelligence guys on a plane and tell Maduro, "Stay in place," because they became convinced the United States was going to invade via Columbia. They're playing out in their minds the old Cold War scenarios, "This is Panama, Haiti, or this is kind of all of these other games that the CIA and the United States like to play in Latin and South America, is our chance to get back in the game again."
And so they kind of bunch of guys on a plane and they get out there. And then they're kind of suggesting to us behind the scenes, "How about we do a swap for Venezuela and Ukraine?" Because they believe that what's happening in Ukraine is a proxy war with the United States, this is the old style Cold War, we're trying to divide up Europe still. We are not, we're trying to find a solution to bolster Ukraine's sovereignty and independence.
And of course Ukraine's become this nasty little item in our domestic politics as well, because of all these machinations on the kind of Russia 2016 intervention, that's just become so complex. No one can make any sense of it, but the Russian's sort of smell an opportunity. This is illustrative of the kind of the risks here. And so I am sent out to kind of disavow them of the fact that we are going to make any kind of swap between Ukraine and Venezuela. And they're basically saying, "You're talking about the Monroe Doctrine," and we say, "We're not. We're talking about what used to be the Yeltsin Doctrine about the near abroad and the new Putin doctrine, 'You keep out of our territory and we'll keep out of yours.'"
And surprise, surprise, the right wing messaging that is being parroted here is all about “the Monroe Doctrine.” This is the actual Russian proposal and the language used by the Russians to try to sell the idea back in 2019.
So no, this is not “made up.” This has been Russia’s proposal for more than six years.
Removing the Venezuelan leader has the possibility of being a positive thing for Venezuela in the long run. However, if this is a real politic bargain with Putin in accordance with the Russian proposal back in 2019, this will end up serving Russian interests, not American interests, and will not be good for the Venezuelans either.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:32 am to Tunasntigers92
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We invaded a fricking South American country
What a mentally ill hack.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:33 am to TBoy
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However, if this is a real politic bargain with Putin in accordance with the Russian proposal back in 2019, this will end up serving Russian interests, not American interests, and will not be good for the Venezuelans either.
You know…things have changed since 2019.
You really are quite stupid.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:36 am to Tunasntigers92
Carter was the President of peace and how did that work out? Sometimes you have to make changes and shake things up for peace. See Jesus in the temple with the money changers.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:43 am to jimmy the leg
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You know…things have changed since 2019.
You can’t have an actual job. You don’t know history, you obviously don’t read, and you spend all day parroting talking points spoon fed you by right wing rage bait media.
Think more, read more, and maybe you would be able to understand the world better.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:44 am to TBoy
These two are your heroes.
quote:Both can die in a fire.
The following is from an interview with Fiona Hill in 2021 describing the situation back in 2019 published by the Council on Foreign Relations:
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:10 am to Tunasntigers92
Sorry we messed up your drug party
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:12 am to Tunasntigers92
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We invaded a fricking South American country because they nationalized their oil industry in 1976 and we lost out. Trump is worse than Bush, at least there were terrorists in the middle east.
He is creating peace by decisive action to remove evil and corruption
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:16 am to Tunasntigers92
Honest Question:
Do you want fair and secured elections in the United States??
If so, Trump just cut the head off the fricking snake.
This entire thing was about election fraud.. election interference.. election manipulation which is why PAM BONDI went after him.. Pam Bondi has been heading this entire thing up to eliminate Election Rigging.
the oil, removing the dictatorship.. the drugs, etc were just the icing on the cake.
Do you want fair and secured elections in the United States??
If so, Trump just cut the head off the fricking snake.
This entire thing was about election fraud.. election interference.. election manipulation which is why PAM BONDI went after him.. Pam Bondi has been heading this entire thing up to eliminate Election Rigging.
the oil, removing the dictatorship.. the drugs, etc were just the icing on the cake.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:16 am to TBoy
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And surprise, surprise, the right wing messaging that is being parroted here is all about “the Monroe Doctrine.” This is the actual Russian proposal and the language used by the Russians to try to sell the idea back in 2019.
So no, this is not “made up.” This has been Russia’s proposal for more than six years.
Removing the Venezuelan leader has the possibility of being a positive thing for Venezuela in the long run. However, if this is a real politic bargain with Putin in accordance with the Russian proposal back in 2019, this will end up serving Russian interests, not American interests, and will not be good for the Venezuelans either.
You take a step forward, then five steps back.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:18 am to Tunasntigers92
quote:May your struggle with shallowness end soon.
Why couldn't Trump just keep his word and be a president of peace?
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:19 am to Tunasntigers92
The sad fact is and history bears witness that peace is established via war. Albeit by Divine Providence and Biblical Prophecy I look forward to the day that Jesus takes the helm and our “swords are hammered into plow shears “.
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