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re: Why didn't the red wave happen?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:08 pm to davyjones
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:08 pm to davyjones
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But could Republicans have out hustled Democrats and taken home the W? Was it even possible at all??
Absolutely. If Republican primary voters had used their brains and not gone full retard and voted for more electable candidates (many of them being more conservative) than RINO frauds like Lake, Bolduc, Leavitt, Oz, etc. they would have won more races.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:18 pm to Ribbed
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Trump picked lousy candidates and McConnell tanked others. No clear message. I also think Repubs consider it a winning strategy to keep things off balance so they can play opposition party and won't be blamed for standing in the way.
This is exactly it. The Republicans would have taken all the blame and Biden would have had the media back their to tell everyone what he could not accomplish.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:21 pm to CrimsonFever
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Why didn't the red wave happen?
To be honest, I think Lindsay Graham trying to pass a 15 week abortion bill right before the election was a big factor.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:23 pm to RammerJammer91
Ryan was a quality candidate and politician irrespective of his affiliation. Vance was at a disadvantage most of the time and a first time candidate. I'm thinking beating a known politician with serious money behind him who was serious by 6 points and you are a neophyte.....that ain't too bad if you win by 6 points.
Remember Ohio also has Sherrod Brown a Democrat whom the Republicans have been unable to dispatch
Remember Ohio also has Sherrod Brown a Democrat whom the Republicans have been unable to dispatch
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:24 pm to griswold
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Because shite is rigged
Wrong conclusion.
Try the following: because republican voters are emotional and stupid.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:24 pm to GoldenGuy
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Mitch pulled funding from key senate and governor races
So did Trump. Republicans have zero leadership.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:35 pm to davyjones
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Many a “Trump backed” candidate sure did lose swing contests.
FIFY, its easy to back a republican in a heavy gop state like Alabama, Miss. But Trump backed 3 candidates that flipped the senate blue.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:47 pm to AubieinNC2009
Setting aside the “Trump-backed candidate” for a moment, the Senate wasn’t flipped blue in that election. Repubs flipped the House red, Senate remained blue by a continued very thin margin, as it was prior.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:14 pm to GoldenGuy
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Mitch pulled funding from key senate and governor races
Mitch spent and raised far more money than Trump did. Trump kept over $90 Million and spent only $15 Million in 2022. Mitch spent and raised over $200 Million. The most money Trump spent was in Georgia...not to take out Warnock, but to take Kemp out in the primary. If Trump had succeeded in doing so, Stacey Abrams would be Governor of Georgia now. Perdue would've suffered the same fate as the other candidates in swing races who were obsessed with the 2020 election.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:14 pm to davyjones
Which was woeful relative to expectations. Esp when you consider the historical trends going against incumbent parties defending so many vulnerable seats.
Frame it however you want, bottom line is it was a dismal performance by the Rs. The question is why, and I think the answer is pretty complicated. Can’t point to just one (or two) things IMO.
Frame it however you want, bottom line is it was a dismal performance by the Rs. The question is why, and I think the answer is pretty complicated. Can’t point to just one (or two) things IMO.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:20 pm to davyjones
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Repubs flipped the House red, Senate remained blue by a continued very thin margin, as it was prior
We lost PA because Oz was a shite candidate and Trump's hand-picked candidate for Governor hurt down-ballot Republicans, including Oz. I put most of the blame on retarded GOP primary voters, though. David McCormick was beating Fetterman in polls but PA voters went full retard and backed the pro-tranny RINO fake TV doctor.
GA would've been a flip if Trump and retarded GOP primary voters didn't go full retard. Pretty much any candidate other than Walker would've won.
Mark Brnovich would've flipped AZ had GOP primary voters not gone full retard and opted to nominate the tech bro who was obsessed with the 2020 election.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:25 pm to mwade91383
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Which was woeful relative to expectations.
I think this was where it all started to go wrong actually. IMO expectations were set unrealistically or unreasonably to begin with, and what I’ve picked up on during the period after that midterm election was that many experts looked towards 2024 for the actual “red wave” that was predicted for 2022. And one could probably see where and how an intentional effort to foster a narrative that involved artificially inflated expectations not being met. I’m not necessarily betting the farm on it, but it is an alternative view of the matter that is out there. Out there but kept low profile, as might also be expected.
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The question is why, and I think the answer is pretty complicated. Can’t point to just one (or two) things IMO.
I like your approach here, very wise IMO. Most things are quite a bit more complicated than the typical approach here on this board.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:37 pm to davyjones
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2024 for the actual “red wave”
I don't see 2024 being a red-wave with Trump at the top of the ticket. His presence is going to frick the GOP in swing areas, which we saw in 2022 and in special elections in swing areas, including recently a Republican House district in NH where the Democrat won in a blowout.
The majority of the country dislikes Biden and thinks he's a bad President. The majority of the country hates Trump. There's a difference. And when push comes to shove, they'll vote for the guy they severely dislike over the guy they hate. People on here won't like it but that's the reality. I mean, Trump's disapproval ratings are often worse than Biden's. Close to 60% don't like him.
The only time there was a red-wave with Trump at the top of the ticket was in 2016, and that had nothing to do with Trump. In 2016 the GOP:
-Won the Popular Vote in the U.S. House and Gubernatorial races
-Won the Popular Vote in U.S. Senate races if you take out California (there was no Republican candidate)
-Held control of the U.S. House
-Held over 50 U.S. Senate seats
-Had control of more State Legislatures than they had in decades
Meanwhile, Trump needed the help of Jill Stein playing the role of Ross Perot and Ralph Nader in the swing states just to barely squeak out a win. Trump was the weak link on the GOP side of the ballot in 2016. He underperformed nearly everywhere, particularly in suburban counties. Pretty much any other Republican would've won the Popular Vote in 2016.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 10:47 pm to CrimsonFever
Kari Lake, Dr. OZ, Herschel Walker, Mastriano, Masters..... We ran Trump fanboys in swing states. We got what we deserved. Stupid people get bad results.
I still can't believe Herschel fricking Walker ran for the US senate. He was crazier than Kari Lake and as dumb as Fetterman.
I still can't believe Herschel fricking Walker ran for the US senate. He was crazier than Kari Lake and as dumb as Fetterman.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:00 pm to Ole Ag
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Kari Lake, Dr. OZ, Herschel Walker, Mastriano, Masters..... We ran Trump fanboys in swing states. We got what we deserved. Stupid people get bad results.
I still can't believe Herschel fricking Walker ran for the US senate. He was crazier than Kari Lake and as dumb as Fetterman.
We aren't sending our best when it comes to GOP primary voters. I'm not a fan of giving parties more control, but I can make an exception in cases like these. I'd be fine with the party being able to veto candidates who have lost prior General Elections, or shite candidates all together (like Lake, Bolduc, Walker, Oz, etc.) from ever being able to get a nomination.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:02 pm to Undertow
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The way the media talks about politics is a bigger factor than we think
The demprog dominated media gives the dems about a 20% swing even with their crazy arsed policies.
Of course, Biden and his gaggle of loony leftist handlers are trying to piss off everyone with a brain and even a little bit of a mind of their own.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:04 pm to KiwiHead
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Remember Ohio also has Sherrod Brown a Democrat whom the Republicans have been unable to dispatch
Brown isn't all that impressive. He has always either run against shite candidates or in blue years. In 2006 and 2018 he caught blue waves. In 2018 he underperformed what Dems did nationally, based on the environment. His opponent put 47% on him. If Hillary Clinton had won in 2016, Brown would've lost in 2018 based on the PVI. In 2012 he ran against an awful candidate and barely cracked 50%.
If GOP primary voters nominate Frank LaRose then Brown is going to be delivering pizzas at a Domino's come January of 2025. If they nominate that Bernie fraud that Kari Lake, JD Vance, and a bunch of other clowns are rallying behind then Brown will get another 6 years.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:36 am to RammerJammer91
Only the "correct" establishment candidates will ever win election. Weve seen this time and time again. The populist candidates with Trump's support don't get support from the party, because the party doesn't want them. Same on the Ds side.
Of course they don't win. Does anyone really believe that the entities that benefit from how things are will just sit back and let change happen.
That said, some times, things just happen. Like a lunatic shooting William Mckinley. McKinley, was the establishment candidate backed by the monies of Rockefeller, JPMorgan, and Carnigie, against the populist Dem WJBryan.
Point is, no one can control everything, and sometimes what isnt supposed to happen does...
Of course they don't win. Does anyone really believe that the entities that benefit from how things are will just sit back and let change happen.
That said, some times, things just happen. Like a lunatic shooting William Mckinley. McKinley, was the establishment candidate backed by the monies of Rockefeller, JPMorgan, and Carnigie, against the populist Dem WJBryan.
Point is, no one can control everything, and sometimes what isnt supposed to happen does...
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:05 am to CrimsonFever
Bad candidates in key states.
Retard in Georgia, phony Republican from out of state in Penn, conspiracy theorists in AZ. A
Retard in Georgia, phony Republican from out of state in Penn, conspiracy theorists in AZ. A
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:26 am to idlewatcher
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Funny how all the fraud happened in those key states. Coincidence I’m sure.
lmfao yeah thats why Fox paid Dominion nearly $1b in their defamation settlement
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