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John Noveske, former rifle maker, found the cause to school shootings... And died for it
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:04 pm
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According to the Outdoor Wire, his car “traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected.”
HIS LAST POST TO THE INTERNET SITE FACEBOOK,
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves.
Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind.
PS: Noveske always said that if he died in a freak accident he wanted “killed by Indians” on his tombstone (‘killed by Indians’ is a military slang term to denote being killed by another within ranks).
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 5:23 pm
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:07 pm to Jack Ruby
They were all mentally ill. The drugs were an attempt to treat them but it didnt work
I dont think handing out prozac like candy is a good thing but this is correlation without causation
I dont think handing out prozac like candy is a good thing but this is correlation without causation
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:12 pm to Jack Ruby
Psych drugs don’t have psych effects.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:15 pm to the808bass
The bigger problem is primary care docs trying to treat mental illness with medication alone which is a bad idea.
They need a therapist first then if they need meds then they get meds.
The only training a lot of primary care docs get is 1 month in med school and maybe 1 month in residency
They need a therapist first then if they need meds then they get meds.
The only training a lot of primary care docs get is 1 month in med school and maybe 1 month in residency
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:24 pm to Jack Ruby
Should we go after the pharmacutical lobbiest?
Oh that's (D)ifferent.
Oh that's (D)ifferent.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 5:31 pm to Cosmo
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They need a therapist first then if they need meds then they get meds.
Or... Ya know... A visit to the youth nuthouse for a while like they did before the late 90s and the proliferation of prescription drugs for every symptom on earth.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:01 pm to Jack Ruby
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John Noveske
Love my noveske. Great gun.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:09 pm to Cosmo
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The bigger problem is primary care docs trying to treat mental illness with medication alone which is a bad idea.
Primary care should not treat kids or young adults period.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:19 pm to Cosmo
From MayoClinic.org SSRI’s Mayo Clinic
Suicide risk and antidepressants
Most antidepressants are generally safe, but the FDA requires that all antidepressants carry black box warnings, the strictest warnings for prescriptions.
In some cases, children, teenagers and young adults under 25 may have an increase in suicidal thoughts or behavior when taking antidepressants, especially in the first few weeks after starting or when the dose is changed.
Anyone taking an antidepressant should be watched closely for worsening depression or unusual behavior.
If you or someone you know has suicidal thoughts when taking an antidepressant, immediately contact your doctor or get emergency help.
Suicide risk and antidepressants
Most antidepressants are generally safe, but the FDA requires that all antidepressants carry black box warnings, the strictest warnings for prescriptions.
In some cases, children, teenagers and young adults under 25 may have an increase in suicidal thoughts or behavior when taking antidepressants, especially in the first few weeks after starting or when the dose is changed.
Anyone taking an antidepressant should be watched closely for worsening depression or unusual behavior.
If you or someone you know has suicidal thoughts when taking an antidepressant, immediately contact your doctor or get emergency help.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:19 pm to Jack Ruby
It's not like you can get those medications from your local Dollar General. They were on them because they had underlying issues that had already manifested. The medication was an attempt to treat their issues.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:20 pm to Insee
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or when the dose is changed.
Like when someone stops taking them all of a sudden.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:22 pm to Cosmo
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They were all mentally ill. The drugs were an attempt to treat them but it didnt work
I dont think handing out prozac like candy is a good thing but this is correlation without causation
Agreed
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:28 pm to adavis
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They were on them because they had underlying issues that had already manifested. The medication was an attempt to treat their issues.
So psych drugs don’t have adverse events involving violence or self-harm?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:29 pm to Cosmo
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They were all mentally ill. The drugs were an attempt to treat them but it didnt work
I dont think handing out prozac like candy is a good thing but this is correlation without causation
Can you show the study that says this?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:01 pm to Cosmo
Amen
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:10 pm to Cosmo
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They need a therapist first then if they need meds then they get meds.
I’m a psychiatrist and I agree with this 100%. You don’t throw metformin at a prediabetic without first encouraging lifestyle changes diet improvements and weight loss. Same thing applies with mental health. Don’t come crying to me about fricking insomnia asking for ambien when you sleep with the TV on, eat a giant arse meal before bed IN bed and drink 5 Red Bulls a day.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:23 pm to Jack Ruby
Well I’m off fb till I see top gun 2. But then I’ll repost that.
He’s right you know.
He’s right you know.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:26 pm to Jack Ruby
Shh - you’ll make the resident communists feel threatened by your facts vs their emotion
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:32 pm to Espritdescorps
quote:You're one psychiatrist. You can speak of your ethical standards, but we all know there are doctors who don't follow those standards. Kid won't sit still while you're watching "Real Housewives"? Here's a pill. Kid's getting C's instead of A's? Here's a pill. You're in my office again getting on my damn nerves? Here's the pill, just go away.
I’m a psychiatrist and I agree with this 100%. You don’t throw metformin at a prediabetic without first encouraging lifestyle changes diet improvements and weight loss. Same thing applies with mental health. Don’t come crying to me about fricking insomnia asking for ambien when you sleep with the TV on, eat a giant arse meal before bed IN bed and drink 5 Red Bulls a day.
If they're doing it with pain meds, why wouldn't they do it with something as "harmless" as Adderall?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:32 pm to Espritdescorps
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I’m a psychiatrist
Sometimes I get nervous on airplanes.
My friend’s mom’s boyfriend’s brother had some little blue pills that helped.
Think I can get 240 of them a month?
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