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Why can’t we control 100 mile stretch of ocean?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:33 am
I can’t figure out how, with our surveillance capabilities and air power, we can’t lock down anything moving or remotely dangerous on one side of the Hormuz Strait. Most of that region is a desert and it seems like it would be pretty easy to eliminate any threats to tanker traffic.
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:34 am to SquatchDawg
The simple answer is it's not our strait to control.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:34 am to SquatchDawg
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t and it seems like it would be pretty easy to eliminate any threats to tanker traffic.
B/c the missile batteries and drone launchpoints aren't necessarily coastal. Countries are getting fed up with their incessant threats though.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:35 am to SquatchDawg
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What am I missing here?
No clue.
But I have to assume if we could do this, we would have done so already.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:36 am to SquatchDawg
Some people can't even control 20-100' of their fence line around their homes.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:36 am to Tigerdew
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The simple answer is it's not our strait to control.
Since International Waters is 12 miles, it isn't Iran's to control either.
UAE should bisect the country with a canal and charge transit fees. Prosper.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:37 am to SquatchDawg
quote:
it seems like it would be pretty easy to eliminate any threats to tanker traffic.
Pretty easy
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:38 am to idlewatcher
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c the missile batteries and drone launchpoints aren't necessarily coastal. Countries are getting fed up with their incessant threats though
Agreed but you’d have to think that launching anything would be an instant target for annihilation. It’s not like you can launch a missile or tanker threatening drone from behind a tree or out of a garage. If we can pick up a downed pilots heartbeat we should be able to find every possible launch point in the area.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:39 am to SquatchDawg
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Why can’t we control 100 mile stretch of ocean?
I think it's more of the threat than actual force that keeps it "closed". No business wants to risk 100's of millions of product sinking.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:39 am to Powerman
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Pretty easy
Yep, just let the terrorist state develop nukes.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:39 am to SquatchDawg
I think we don't want to lose any war ships, which would happen if we invaded the strait. I'm sure we could blow up Iran's navy (I believe we already done so), but I doubt we have the capabilities to protect our stuff from short range missiles fired right off the coast.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:40 am to SquatchDawg
Geography - the Strait is only about 20 miles wide and the shipping lane is much smaller.
Proximity - Iran has fast boats, missiles, mines and drones that can be quickly used before we could prevent
Deterrence - it’s not that we can’t “defend” it, but with the threat of mines and drones constantly being there, companies and captains aren’t willing to risk it. Also, short range missiles at low altitude are nearly impossible to stop en masse
Insurance - it is cost prohibitive to sail through there right now because the insurance coverage to do so is astronomical
Combine all these things and it’s shut down. It’s not just about US Navy capabilities to defend it
Proximity - Iran has fast boats, missiles, mines and drones that can be quickly used before we could prevent
Deterrence - it’s not that we can’t “defend” it, but with the threat of mines and drones constantly being there, companies and captains aren’t willing to risk it. Also, short range missiles at low altitude are nearly impossible to stop en masse
Insurance - it is cost prohibitive to sail through there right now because the insurance coverage to do so is astronomical
Combine all these things and it’s shut down. It’s not just about US Navy capabilities to defend it
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:41 am to SquatchDawg
Look at the Geography on the Iranian side and then rethink your post.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:42 am to Ssubba
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I think we don't want to lose any war ships, which would happen if we invaded the strait. I'm sure we could blow up Iran's navy, but I doubt we have the capabilities to protect our stuff from short range missiles fired right off the coast.
This too. I made a whole thread about this, but people couldn't seem to grasp the concept the US Navy isn't willing to risk ships for this.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:43 am to SquatchDawg
Our stuff is more advanced than anyone else's in the world by a long shot, yet it's not as advanced as many people think.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:46 am to SquatchDawg
Missile and drone tech is to the point where one can pop up from just about anywhere.
You could have a launch from an apartment building, hospital, garage, etc., not necessarily a dedicated launch site.
You could have a launch from an apartment building, hospital, garage, etc., not necessarily a dedicated launch site.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:46 am to Techdave
Agreed, but how can any threat with the capability to hit a tanker not identified and instantly hit from the air?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:46 am to Azkiger
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Yep, just let the terrorist state develop nukes.
Didn't say that, it's just obvious that it's not "pretty easy" or we would have already done it
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:49 am to KiwiHead
I have and it’s barren for the most part. I would imagine even a dude in a tricked out Tacoma would be easy to spot.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:49 am to OccamsStubble
Canal would have to be dug thru a mountain range, a no go.
Pipelines are the future answer. Saudi Arabia has one in use but not large enough. Future should be a joint venture between SA , UAE, Kiwait, and Quatar on a very large one that goes to the northern end of the Red Sea.
Pipelines are the future answer. Saudi Arabia has one in use but not large enough. Future should be a joint venture between SA , UAE, Kiwait, and Quatar on a very large one that goes to the northern end of the Red Sea.
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