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I am going to give soccer a shot:2 questions
Posted on 11/8/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 8:49 pm
1. What are some good leagues to start following.
2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:02 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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1. What are some good leagues to start following.
English Premier League - NBC/NBC Sports
Serie A - ESPN/ESPN+
Bundesliga - Fox Sports
La Liga -
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2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
Even with offsides there are fast breaks and guys who can take the top off the defense. Without offsides, players would just stand in the box and it would be long ball after long ball. Makes for a worse game. Also really hard to defend.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Before everyone gives you a hard time I’ll give you real answers.
1. English Primer League
2. La Liga (Spain)/Bundesliga (Germany)/Serie A (Italy)
2. Offsides makes the game more tactical. When I first started paying attention to soccer it looked like people were just randomly kicking the ball down the field and praying for the best, but when you understand the flow of the game it makes you realize it’s a game of positioning.
I didn’t start following soccer until I was 18 (11 years ago), and now I have no interest in watching any other sport unless LSU/Saints are playing.
1. English Primer League
2. La Liga (Spain)/Bundesliga (Germany)/Serie A (Italy)
2. Offsides makes the game more tactical. When I first started paying attention to soccer it looked like people were just randomly kicking the ball down the field and praying for the best, but when you understand the flow of the game it makes you realize it’s a game of positioning.
I didn’t start following soccer until I was 18 (11 years ago), and now I have no interest in watching any other sport unless LSU/Saints are playing.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:09 pm to Retrograde
Well I enjoy all sports so I'm sure I'll find an enjoyment out of it. I watch USA in fifa and Olympics since 2012 so I know I dont hate the game I just want to start understanding it more
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:11 pm to jordan21210
quote:so they would snowbird? Wouldnt that cost you numbers on defense
Without offsides, players would just stand in the box and it would be long ball after long ball.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:12 pm to Retrograde
EPL and Bundesliga are easiest to watch stateside. On NBCSN/FS1 regularly.
As far as the offsides, wait a few matches (if it even takes that long) and see how it impacts passing. Some of the better goals aren’t exciting just on their own, but rather due to the timing/weight/precision of the pass that set them up. There are some unreal passes 50+ yds upfield that look easy on TV but if you understand the field and positioning of players, you understand exactly the vision and skill needed to make those passes.
Also, this game is the most exciting sport you will watch as far as dramatic moments in scoring and momentum, but the most agonizing if your team sucks.
Choose wisely. And welcome.
As far as the offsides, wait a few matches (if it even takes that long) and see how it impacts passing. Some of the better goals aren’t exciting just on their own, but rather due to the timing/weight/precision of the pass that set them up. There are some unreal passes 50+ yds upfield that look easy on TV but if you understand the field and positioning of players, you understand exactly the vision and skill needed to make those passes.
Also, this game is the most exciting sport you will watch as far as dramatic moments in scoring and momentum, but the most agonizing if your team sucks.
Choose wisely. And welcome.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:13 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
ETA: Just realized you were genuinely asking and not being a douche about it.
I apologize. And mainly agree with what everyone said above.
Also, to get into it, watch highlight shows at first(Men in Blazers would be a good one), then try to start watching games.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
I have no idea what the hell the last part of your sentence means, but there is a good reason for offsides.
Teams in professional leagues, even the ones with lots of money, are ultimately pragmatic. Given this, if the offsides rule was done away with, the weaker of the two teams has no incentive to go upfield in the absence of an offside rule. They would, by necessity, play as deep as the furthest forward attacking player. Or rather, they would play deeper, since they always want to be goalside of the last man. Given that teams also want a spare man, you'd always have an extra defender regardless of how many attackers would come forward. Conversely teams would adjust to ensure they had at least one player high up the field. The attacking team would then attempt to draw the defense out, but given that there is no offsides, there is very little incentive to do anything other than camp out in their defensive half. The lack of a rule would also incentivize lots of long-range shots, the majority of which would go out of play and lead to restarts, meaning the game would be stilted and again favor defensive teams, as they could waste lots of time.
What the offsides rule does now is that it encourages teams to stay forward and stay in shape. It says that there must be two players in front of the attacking player and that a player is only offside if he is making a play to the ball. This was the rule change in 2005. Let's illustrate this. You have a striker on the back shoulder of the CB. He's offside but not involved in the play. The ball is played to a winger, who receives the ball after an onside run. Before 2005, the play would be ruled offside. Teams of this era were built to exploit the offside rule, as they would move as a line, closing the space between midfield and defense. This led to a high-line situation where space was tight in midfield, and thus, the possession battle was less important. Most teams of this era used the 4-4-2 and high lines, or the 3-5-2 or versions thereof to combat the 4-4-2. Teams were also built on physical characteristics, with lots of athletic battles in midfield rather than technical battles. Indeed, by 2003, the elegant passer from midfield seemed to be a vestige of the past, with Guardiola retiring, and only Pirlo remaining.
After 2005, the striker in the play described above would be onside, and most importantly, be goalside of his markers, leading to a goal-scoring opportunity. With the offside rule change in 2005, teams realized that you had to play as deep as the deepest man, which meant there was more space in front of the defense. The spare man at the back in the 3-5-2 eventually morphed into a defensive midfielder who played between the midfield and defensive lines, while the spare man in the 4-4-2, the no. 10, became withdrew even further into midfield. The adoption of the 4-3-3 as a purely counter-attacking formation by Mourinho in 2005 was revolutionary, and signaled the end of the 4-4-2/3-5-2 era, at least for a decade.
I hope I've explained why offsides is a thing, and is ultimately good for the sport. Here's a good overview of all the iterations of the offside rule. LINK
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:28 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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2. Why is offsides a thing?
Why doesn’t football allow a receiver to hang out on the 10 yard line and let QBs throw jump balls every play? It’s the same concept
The driveMAN was always a FAN of the beautiful game, then they started broadcasting all the games and like people have said— it’s all he watches. One of the main factors is how efficient it is to actually watch a game:
1. If the sports app of your choice (Forza FTW) says it’s a 9am kick...you best believe the ball will be rolling at 9:00:30. By 9:47 you’ll be at half time and you’ll be finished before 11
2. There are no commercials. Straight play. After watching 4 hour CBS NCAA football broadcasts, it makes you appreciate the frick out of it and it becomes difficult to watch much else
3. So. Many. Matches. You have your domestic league matches with Champions/Europa league matches mixed in every few weeks + domestic cups. It gives you an appreciation for how much these guys actually play with little no to break year round (EPL ends late May, starts early August and many players have international commitments during the summer).
That’s about it. If you don’t have a team, then just follow players you enjoy watching and you’ll eventually gravitate towards one
DRIVEMAN OUT
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:36 pm to death valley driver
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1. If the sports app of your choice (Forza FTW) says it’s a 9am kick...you best believe the ball will be rolling at 9:00:30. By 9:47 you’ll be at half time and you’ll be finished before 11
2. There are no commercials. Straight play. After watching 4 hour CBS NCAA football broadcasts, it makes you appreciate the frick out of it and it becomes difficult to watch much else
Yes and yes.
It's so nice to just know that you'll only have to spend two hours of your day watching a match and then can get on with the rest of your life after.
No 5 and a half hour games.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'll tell you that getting into soccer has been one of the more fun things I've done in the last decade
I played for a long stretch in my youth but was never a "fan". Relearning fundamentals about the game (easier) and learning about competitions, how transfers work, club histories, etc. (much harder) was as enjoyable as watching the matches themselves.
I played for a long stretch in my youth but was never a "fan". Relearning fundamentals about the game (easier) and learning about competitions, how transfers work, club histories, etc. (much harder) was as enjoyable as watching the matches themselves.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 6:12 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Just be warned. Once you start watching the Premier League every weekend morning, college football is going to drag arse for you.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:37 am to Pettifogger
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how transfers work, club histories
This was the most fun part of getting into soccer, granted I'm a history/culture nerd. Learning strategies and fundamentals are a little harder as I never played, but it's easy to pick up the basics and goals of the strategies if you have any type of sports knowledge.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 3:42 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
Football would be more fun if all the wide receivers could just go stand in the end zone and you could just throw hail marys to them over and over.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 3:43 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Worry about your shitty middle school basketball team
Posted on 11/9/18 at 4:33 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:That's a thing even with offsides rule. Risk/reward as far as pushing players forward.
so they would snowbird? Wouldnt that cost you numbers on defense
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:41 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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. What are some good leagues to start following. 2. Why is offsides a thing? I feel like the game would be more fun if you could have fast breaks and sign guys who could take the top off the defense
I started a couple years ago and love it.
English Premier League b/c it’s on TV frequently and coverage is very good. Commonly accepted that Arsenal is the best and for whom most of the knowledgeable fans cheer. I kid, but I would find a team (preferably one that is on TV) and follow them. Too hard to keep up with otherwise.
First newb lesson, it’s not “offsides”. It is “offside”.
I hate the offside rule and I don’t think it would be a disaster to change it although that won’t happen so don’t try. It actually gets its roots NOT because the O would just stand in the box and cherry pick as it isn’t born of any strategic necessity. It is actually a throwback to soccers origins as a amalgam of rugby. The forward pass was looked down on when soccer first started and it was mostly a dribbling game. In fact the offside rule used to include 3 players. Keep in mind the early formations looked like this.
x x x x x x x x
x x
x
K
7 offensive players and 3 backs.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 5:45 am
Posted on 11/10/18 at 9:04 am to Robin Masters
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I kid, but I would find a team (preferably one that is on TV) and follow them. Too hard to keep up with otherwise.
It's not really too hard to follow a team if they're not on TV. I have really enjoyed Wolverhampton this season after watching their Promoted docu-series (self-admitted bandwagon fan). They have been on TV once or twice but with the PL app, NBCsports App and/or reddit streams, i have been able to keep up with most of their matches. Also, it makes the games that are nationally broadcast that much more exciting because they aren't in the spotlight and it makes those games that much more rare. If the Wolves are on TV, I'm usually on my patio with a coffee saturday/sunday mornings.
Watch as many games as you can and keep up with the tables and you'll start gravitating to a particular team. Makes sure to try Premier League but also Bundesliga and even MLS. I'm in Atlanta so the United are part of my regular weekly sports watching.
If you're into video games, get FIFA 19 and play that. You'll catch on pretty quickly so the strategic part of the game.
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