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re: Alabama Recruiting Number Question and Discussion
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:00 pm to tigerrag901
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:00 pm to tigerrag901
Wrong page
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Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:06 pm to tigerrag901
quote:and the Alabama obsession continues....
Alabama Recruiting Number Question and Discussion
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:07 pm to tigerrag901
quote:You guys crack me up. There is no secret sauce that needs to be figured out. Anyone with a brain can figure it out. Anyone could also figure out how to stop Joe Burrow and the LSU 2019 offense. The trouble comes once you figure it out but you just can't seem to do it.
Just seems like some sneaky sh%t Saban and crew have figured out. Hopefully Mason Smith has also figured out the loop hole for us.
Most years LSU can't even recruit the automatic 25. You don't need to figure out any tricks to get 25, but how often does LSU actually reach that number? Maybe 1 out of 5 years. So if LSU gets 22 recruits one year WTF good would it do to know Saban's secret recipe for signing 27?
Usually LSU is either giving spare scholarships to walk ons or signing from the transfer portal because we have lots of unused scholarships.
In 2010 the NCAA could have passed a special dispensation that allowed only LSU to sign 100 players per year and keep a 500 player roster, and it wouldn't have done LSU a bit of good because we could not even sign 25 legit players.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:09 pm to Captain Crown
These are the big ones imo
A player can be recruited but come in on an athletic scholarship. As long as they maintain a certain GPA, they can play and never count as an initial counter. Then:
After being on campus for a year on an academic scholarship, Nick can give them one of the 85 and still never count against the signing class counter.
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6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward initial and total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
A player can be recruited but come in on an athletic scholarship. As long as they maintain a certain GPA, they can play and never count as an initial counter. Then:
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15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
After being on campus for a year on an academic scholarship, Nick can give them one of the 85 and still never count against the signing class counter.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:10 pm to Penrod
Lol you don’t think there’s 27 “legit” athletes out there that wouldn’t want to be a scholarship player for LSU? I want whatever your smoking on.
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Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:14 pm to atltiger6487
Not really an obsession, just curious about a team we play every single year and battle out for recruits each cycle.
Came here because I figured someone who have a decent answer, Like CPT Crown
Came here because I figured someone who have a decent answer, Like CPT Crown
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:15 pm to tigerrag901
Medical waivers
What they do would burn too many bridges for other programs. Bama will literally make a kid quit football to make their numbers work. Saban is smart in that he treats his roster like an NFL GM. There is such a demand from prospects to go there they get away with it.
What they do would burn too many bridges for other programs. Bama will literally make a kid quit football to make their numbers work. Saban is smart in that he treats his roster like an NFL GM. There is such a demand from prospects to go there they get away with it.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:20 pm to tigerrag901
Posted this on the Rant page cause I knew I would get more responses than the recruiting page. Whoever the admins are truly eat dick
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:20 pm to tigerrag901
This gets debated to no end, but the real answer is simple: Many of those signees are not on scholarship.
Alabama reporters have asked for confirmation of who is actually on scholarship and Saban won’t say.
Alabama reporters have asked for confirmation of who is actually on scholarship and Saban won’t say.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:25 pm to tigerrag901
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So as I understand, teams are allowed a 25 man class cap limit each recruit cycle.
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6) Non-athletic aid (15.5.6.3.7) — A recruited player (OV, off-campus meeting or NLI; 15.02.8) on non-athletic scholarship only counts toward initial and total limits if/when he plays in a game. Exception (15.5.1.2.1) — A recruited player on academic scholarship, after one year with a 3.0/4.0 GPA, may then play and remain a non-counter. Apparently, a non-recruited player on non-athletic aid may play as a non-counter.
7) Voluntary Withdrawal (15.5.6.4.1) — This Bylaws section is at the end of the next post, followed by two posts explaining how voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships can be given to new recruits to avoid them counting against annual signing and inital counter limits.
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15.5.1.10.1.2 Exception—Agreement After One Year. [FBS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution for at least one academic year may sign a financial aid agreement for the first time without counting toward the annual limit on signings. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17 for signings that occur on or after 8/1/17, Revised: 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18)
These are the important ones as they are by far the easiest to finagle. You can be assured the that many of your "voluntary withdrawals" are anything but. Alabama hands out A TON of academic aid to out-of-state students to begin with(something like 70% of the general student body is from OOS) and a small part of the reason for that is exactly this.
In short, it's a whole university level effort to make the numbers work on paper.
ETA: Think of it like working out of 2 bank accounts instead of 1.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:34 pm to KennesawTiger
Alabama does because they grade their own “papers”.
If I could have graded all my papers at LSU I would have aced every course, Bama had their people looking at every situation and gets the numbers to work in their favor. That’s his they csn take un 29 or 30 new recruits and transfers each season.
If I could have graded all my papers at LSU I would have aced every course, Bama had their people looking at every situation and gets the numbers to work in their favor. That’s his they csn take un 29 or 30 new recruits and transfers each season.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:36 pm to tigerrag901
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If Alabama is talking these highly recruited kids to join as a PWO, wouldn’t at least be some type of media coverage about it??
No such thing as a " preferred walk on. " If a school signs anyone entering school in the spring they are the same as early December signees and count against next year's 25 limit not the last class which entered in the fall.
If they were in school and on the team as a non scholarship player in the fall I don't believe they can be awarded a scholarship that becomes effective until the next fall.
Alabama is subject to the same limits as everyone else.
Schools may also apply any unused scholarships toward next year's class of incoming freshmen. There can only be 50 scholarships applicable to a two year period. The numbers you cited are probably inaccurate and included players who were not on scholarship.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:08 pm to tigerrag901
We discuss this topic every year. Alabama "bends" the rules to suit their needs better than anyone. We should all be used to it by now.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:15 pm to DLSWVA
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We discuss this topic every year. Alabama "bends" the rules to suit their needs better than anyone. We should all be used to it by now.
To be fair, I think there's a lot out there who want to know the how/why behind it. IE: Why doesn't LSU/everyone else do it. That's a more worthy subject than 95% of what regularly gets posted here.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:20 pm to ell_13
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Grey shirts
Do grey shirts NEVER count towards the class total?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:24 pm to tigerrag901
Couple things to consider:
LSU as apart of their bowl ban punishment, docked themselves 8 football scholarships over the next 2 years.
The NCAA hasn’t really specified the roster management guidelines after the 2021 season. There will be a lot of teams with more than 85 scholarship players because of the COVID year. So you don’t want to over sign players because it might effect your 2022/2023 recruiting headcount.
LSU as apart of their bowl ban punishment, docked themselves 8 football scholarships over the next 2 years.
The NCAA hasn’t really specified the roster management guidelines after the 2021 season. There will be a lot of teams with more than 85 scholarship players because of the COVID year. So you don’t want to over sign players because it might effect your 2022/2023 recruiting headcount.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:47 pm to SammyTiger
I am not certain on this but was told it starts with a compliance dept. whom isn’t afraid to push the boundaries of NCAA by law rules . Knowing that if the NCAA was to investigate , their lawyers could tie up NCAA in court on rulings for years, and at worse be handed out some sort of
85 man reduction, and at best would just force clearer new laws. The retirement of Bohansen may be indicator LSU willing to do same. We shall see.
Geaux TIGAHS
85 man reduction, and at best would just force clearer new laws. The retirement of Bohansen may be indicator LSU willing to do same. We shall see.
Geaux TIGAHS
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:48 pm to tigerrag901
The 25 scholarship limit is by rule is a hard number. You are allowed to undersigned one year and oversight the next year by the number you signed below the 25 cap by using early enrollees. The 25 per year limit still applies. For example, you can sign 23 one year and 27 the next. But once a player signs a NIL and the school accepts it, it counts against the 25 even if he never steps foot on campus. Transfers into the program also count against the 25, one year of eligibility or 4 years, doesn't matter. So I am also baffled as to how Alabama gets away with it.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:24 pm to EasterEgg
Thats because Bama files for a replacement scholarship for a player leaving the program and give that scholarship to the player that was greyshirting before they they count towards the following class. Does that make sense?
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