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Posted on 1/10/26 at 12:48 pm to chRxis
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let me save you the time... yes, very highly recruited... the guy was the MaxPrep NATIONAL player of the year... he wasn't some project that Kiffin had to start at the bottom floor with, and THAT is my point... YES, Kiffin has helped QB's improve into better QBs... NO ONE is saying otherwise... but, AGAIN, the list of "made" QBs by Kiffin is very short... so acting like it's not is stupid
You pushing this narrative that development of a 4 star player is different than development of a guy who came from a lower division is unhinged. It doesn’t fricking matter. Development is development, no matter who it is. And if you look at reality- Corral in 2000 and Dart in 2022, they both needed a lot of fricking development to become what they were in their later seasons. The statistical improvements are what matter and they speak for themselves.
Coaches looking at kids from lower levels isn’t just a Kiffin thing. Plenty of coaches have been doing this in recent years and it’s really blowing up now with the expansion of rosters. More with FCS, but JUCO and D2, as well. It’s a response to players having to take opportunities at lower levels because of the extra COVID year and the portal.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 12:49 pm to chRxis
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Corral and Dart were both very highly rated guys coming into college....
Corral was awful at Ole Miss before Kiffin got there. Kiffin turned him into the best QB in the SEC, first SEC QB drafted in 2022 (3rd round pick). He was clearly not even a backup caliber NFL QB and is already out of the league.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 1:01 pm to chRxis
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blindly, apparently...
Interesting, a pharmacist who is more knowledgeable than people who do this for a living.
Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 1:13 pm to misey94
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We may end up in a situation where it’s an open competition in Spring, but there’s no way this guy is just handed anything but an opportunity.
Regardless of who we get, let’s say it’s Leavitt, Clark, and two scrubs, I hope it’s open competition in the spring and best man wins.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 1:21 pm to TigerinSC
I've been saying this for quite a while. Sornsby was never going to come here. Williams entering the portal was an afterthought on his part. Leavitt has his brother interfering and also his injury recovery is iffy as to the extent and the time line. Lagway is simply not that good, and neither is the Nebraska QB. And I'm in the minority here but Longstreet from USC hasn't shown me he is little more than a high 3* caliber talent. I also liked Colton Joseph from Old Dominion but he is going elsewhere. Sign Landen Clark, a veteran QB who is better than Van Buren was as a backup, and a guy who has potential but is young and needs development. I would be fine with this combination of QBs
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:10 pm to misey94
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development of a 4 star player is different than development of a guy who came from a lower division
that's actually not what i'm saying, at all...
what i am saying is that the more heralded recruits tend to be more advanced in their developement, thus don't have as far to go to be a championship caliber QB... and that's what Kiffin has been able to do throughout his career...
quote:again, NO ONE is saying Kiffin cannot develop QBs...
And if you look at reality- Corral in 2000 and Dart in 2022, they both needed a lot of fricking development to become what they were in their later seasons. The statistical improvements are what matter and they speak for themselves.
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Coaches looking at kids from lower levels isn’t just a Kiffin thing. Plenty of coaches have been doing this in recent years and it’s really blowing up now with the expansion of rosters. More with FCS, but JUCO and D2, as well. It’s a response to players having to take opportunities at lower levels because of the extra COVID year and the portal.
how many of the last, let's say, 15 national championship winning QBs came from "lower level" teams?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:12 pm to cyarrr
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Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night?
no...your mom's house... why do you ask?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:16 pm to misey94
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If Chambliss is a “gamer” as has been mentioned, then possibly not
so, you are under the impression that if Simmons, who was the starter, is healthy and doing ok, and winning games for Ole Miss, that Kiffin is just going to go with Trinidad at some point during the season, because...?
Again, like i said, if Simmons doesn't get hurt, we MAY have never heard of Trinidad Chambliss
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:21 pm to lsusteve1
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It’s hilarious that you think I didn’t know this
yet you said what you said... lol...so yes, it is hilarious...
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Chambliss got his shot and obviously improved.
100%... clearly a diamond in the rough, and very, VERY much the exception... and for every 1 Chambliss, there are another 100 QBs that were from a lower tier school who transferred, got a shot, and didn't do shite...
so, again, thinking that Kiffin, just b/c he's Kiffin, can get just ANYONE and turn them into Chambliss, or something very close, is fallacy... he caught lightning in a bottle and y'all think he can just do that shite on command... i have ZERO doubt that he can get good results with a Sam Leavitt, Brendan Sorsby, hell, even possibly a Deuce Knight, b/c those guys have the track record and physical traits that suit Kiffin's offense, have played at a level of competition that you can see their work, etc... but to ask him to routinely turn some random arse QB from a lower tier school into a QB that can lead a national championship caliber team, that's a stretch, IMO
This post was edited on 1/10/26 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:22 pm to burke985
Okay if it’s going so well for all these QBs on their visits, then what the frick is keeping them from committing?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:23 pm to chRxis
Lock the kid up. You have to have a qb.
Even if we get Leavitt, this kids gonna take first team reps in the spring while Leavitt is healing. Looks to me like he could push for the job.
What if Leavitt gets healthy and is not the Leavitt of old? Or what if we don't land a true starter from the portal. At some point you have to have a qb on the roster.
Even if we get Leavitt, this kids gonna take first team reps in the spring while Leavitt is healing. Looks to me like he could push for the job.
What if Leavitt gets healthy and is not the Leavitt of old? Or what if we don't land a true starter from the portal. At some point you have to have a qb on the roster.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:24 pm to chRxis
We are all dumb, but 99% of us would have one QB and 5 OL by now just in case something falls through. There are 5 portal days left.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:24 pm to chRxis
Never sniffed the field.. much like chambliss up until a season ago at a lower level.. I'm not saying he can take Caden Durham and make him a star.. forget about the Alabama offenses under Lane.. he literally took FAU to championships. They had never had a winning season in their history.. ole miss never won a fkin thing.. And were absolute dog shite the few years leading up to his hire.. point is he is one of the best offensive minds in football.. with Weiss by his side he was probably Born scheming offense w his dad . We got Blake Baker and an elite defense.. what are you so worried about?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:29 pm to Tblock
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Lock the kid up. You have to have a qb.
agreed.. i'm all for signing Clark... as a backup, and with that CLEAR understanding of that...
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Even if we get Leavitt, this kids gonna take first team reps in the spring while Leavitt is healing
agreed...
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Looks to me like he could push for the job.
no...
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At some point you have to have a qb on the roster.
agreed... we should have one already, and very likely would have, had the Demond Williams shite not happened
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:31 pm to burke985
How tall is Johnny?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:32 pm to chRxis
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it's just amazing to me that the emergence of Chambliss has seemingly made everyone think that Kiffin has routinely taken chicken shite and made chicken salad..
Jaxon Dart says hello.....
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:34 pm to chRxis
ChRxis,
You seem to be reading the situation like I am. You are correct, hopefully he's not pushing for a starting spot.
You seem to be reading the situation like I am. You are correct, hopefully he's not pushing for a starting spot.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:41 pm to LSU Bayou Jim
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Jaxon Dart says hello.....
if only people would actually read the entire thread before commenting...
Jaxson Dart was the MaxPrep National Player of the Year coming out of HS and a consensus 4 star recruit by every service... FAR from "chicken shite"...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:48 pm to Badbeetpete
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forget about the Alabama offenses under Lane..
why? he did well there and developed guys there... no reason to discount those years for Lane...
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point is he is one of the best offensive minds in football..
absolutely agree... 100%... but even he has limits as far what he can do with the players he gets/is given...
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Weis
FIFY, and yes, he's also a very good coach, and also, not infallible...
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what are you so worried about?
well, as of right now, we don't have a QB, much less the bare minimum of 2 that we need going into the season.. the OL needs a LOT of help (not all the sold on the guys we brought in being an upgrade, or even an equal to the guys we lost, plus we still haven't brought in enough)..
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