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re: Landon Clark update: visit continues to go well
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:53 pm to chRxis
Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:53 pm to chRxis
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not all the sold on the guys we brought in being an upgrade, or even an equal to the guys we lost, plus we still haven't brought in enough
At this point we need 3 more ol prospects minimum. Gotta have mobile quarterbacks it looks like. Although, why would you want anything else?
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Posted on 1/10/26 at 2:55 pm to chRxis
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it's just amazing to me that the emergence of Chambliss has seemingly made everyone think that Kiffin has routinely taken chicken shite and made chicken salad... he is very much the oddity from Kiffin's career... almost every single QB Kiffin has had to work with was very highly recruited guys... he didn't "make" them...
Just because a guy is highly recruited doesn't make him a sure fire hit doesn't have to be developed. Look at his collegiate record from USC to his last year with Kiffin. He improved every year. It's disingenuous to say Kiffin and his staff didn't help develop Dart into a 1st round pick.
Chambliss has great tools but he benefitted from the system he was in at Ole Miss.
I would suspect that whoever he rolls out there in September will be better than MVB. We are not in this predicament because of Kiffin. Kelly chose an undeveloped 16 year old for his ONLY high school quarterback recruit in 3 fricking years.
I am anxious to see if Kiffin can pull a rabbit out of his hat for a decent QB, but it is what it is.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:09 pm to chRxis
Agree! I’m not sure how this all pans out with Kiffin, but I am on the optimistic side. That said, I haven’t seen this kind of extreme confidence and border line coach worship since Saban was our coach!
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:15 pm to Tigris Christi
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That said, I haven’t seen this kind of extreme confidence and border line coach worship since Saban was our coach!
and look, i get it... i'm excited about Kiffin b/c we FINALLY have a good x's and o's guy leading the team, who isn't a fricking idiot, who isn't lazy.... something that O, Miles, and Kelly can't say..
but at some point, you have to look at reality and the reality is, as it pertains to the QB position, we are well behind the 8 ball right now... unless someone not in the portal, right now, enters, or we can get Longstreet interested (likely will depend on Oregon's QB situation though), we are grasping at lackluster straws...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:19 pm to chRxis
We are bringing in a lot of young guys building toward the future. Good plan. But i want to win next year!!!
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:21 pm to chRxis
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how many of the last, let's say, 15 national championship winning QBs came from "lower level" teams?
Will Howard wasn’t some big-time QB recruit. He was a 3 star from K State. Not a lower division, but not a team known for stellar QB play as much as a team approach.
Stetson Bennett was a low 3 star walk-on at UGA. Most of his other offers were from Sun Belt schools. He played very well in his last season and went from just being a game manager to a very capable QB.
Cam Ward didn’t make the playoffs last year, but he and Miami were in the hunt for a chunk of the season and he was the main reason for that. Their terrible defense is what kept them out. He DID come from a lower division to start his career and for the exact reason I brought up.
Kids like Ward are more likely to slip through the cracks due to the increasing focus on the Portal. If the P4 are mining other teams’ backups and the G5 for players and the G5 is taking on P4 rejects and FCS stars, where are all of the kids coming from HS supposed to go?
These players will be outliers, but there have always been late bloomers. They are just coming from a rung lower on the ladder now than where they might have in the past because of the portal.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:25 pm to misey94
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Not a lower division, but not a team known for stellar QB play as much as a team approach.
did you watch Howard play, at all at K State? he was really good
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These players will be outliers
ya think?
you are confirming my stance, rather than challenging it, just FYI...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:28 pm to chRxis
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so, you are under the impression that if Simmons, who was the starter, is healthy and doing ok, and winning games for Ole Miss, that Kiffin is just going to go with Trinidad at some point during the season, because...? Again, like i said, if Simmons doesn't get hurt, we MAY have never heard of Trinidad Chambliss
Why does this bother you so much? I was just explaining what was said about him. Gamers sometimes take time to get their big break because they have to be on the field to really shine.
If Simmons was winning games in this theoretical exercise, then who cares? Maybe he grows into the job with time and reps. If so, why would he lose the job?
Or maybe things click for Chambliss later in the season. Most Summer enrollees don’t walk in the door and take the starting QB job. Maybe with time he figures it out. If so, Kiffin is the kind of coach who will give a player reps. Watkins climbed the WR depth chart as a true freshman and did that.
Maybe Simmons get injured later in the season. Who knows? At this point, who cares? None of this happened. I was just relaying what was said about him in a pre-season interview.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:31 pm to JohnnyU
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Just because a guy is highly recruited doesn't make him a sure fire hit doesn't have to be developed.
even the highest recruited prospects still have to be developed, so i agree with you...
but my stance is higher rated recruits, generally speaking, don't have as far to go to be very good and have more abilities and intangibles to work with than lower rated guys... are there lower rated guys who absolutely defy this? yes, we've seen that happen, for sure... but that's the exception, not the rule...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:35 pm to chRxis
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ya think? you are confirming my stance, rather than challenging it, just FYI...
I love how you just ignored that Howard started as a 3 star, not a major QB recruit. And you completely ignored Bennet and Ward, a walk-on and an FCS call-up.
I’m not disputing your premise on QB talent as much as explaining the reason why more players who have some ability are being pushed to take opportunities as lower levels than they would have in the past. Before COVID and the portal, Ward likely gets an offer from somewhere in the FBS out of high school.
The number of lower level players who end up on power program rosters will increase over time because of this, at least assuming the ability for players to freely transfer as many times as they want doesn’t change.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:38 pm to misey94
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Why does this bother you so much?
bother me?
look, Chambliss is the one example that all the sunshine pumpers go to when they talk about how "not worried" they are, b/c they see Chambliss' blowing up under Kiffin as a direct relation to what we can expect with every QB Kiffin brings in... and while, yes, we can expect Kiffin to develop our QBs better than any other coach i can remember LSU having, that one example is the rarity, not the norm...
so for everyone saying "relax, look what he did with Chambliss", thinking they are so above the fray, all i can say i'd be careful with think the sun rises and sets out of Kiffin's arse... that's some lofty expectations... i'd rather be pragmatic about it and try to get the best we can, so the development doesn't have to be as drastic, time intensive, etc, but that's just me... i'd rather give Kiffin as much to work with at that position as possible, vs. giving him the ultimate challenge to find out how good of a coach he really is...
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:45 pm to misey94
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I love how you just ignored that Howard started as a 3 star, not a major QB recruit. And you completely ignored Bennet and Ward, a walk-on and an FCS call-up.
i ignored it b/c you are still conflating the arguments...
over the course of Kiffin's career, the overwhelming majority of QBs he has worked with have been highly rated recruits... that is not up for debate... you can do your own research to see where these guys were when they were being recruited... yet, the revisionist history and recency bias of this board would have you believe all those guys were nothing before Kiffin, as if he just found those guys on the street... and that's just not true... did he help in their development? YES....1000000000%... but there was a lot there for him to work with already, so the exact amount of how much "coaching them up" he had to do is hard to quantify...
now, if a majority of the guys he had were more like Chambliss, my stance on exactly how much Kiffin's effect can be attributed would be different... but as it stands, and what the facts bear out, that's not the case...
by and large, Kiffin has been the benefactor of having good QBs to work with, and while he did help develop them, he didn't get them from the basement to the roof... he got them from the 5th or 6th floor to roof...
and THAT is what i'd like for us to give him to work with... get a guy that is all that much closer to a finished product, vs. a fricking passion project
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:56 pm to chRxis
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but my stance is higher rated recruits, generally speaking, don't have as far to go to be very good and have more abilities and intangibles to work with than lower rated guys.
You leave out the pay part....
It all depends on the rest of the team also, from the D to the line protecting the QB etc. All of those parts and their pay also affect the calculus of which QB is "better".
It is easy to envision a scenario where a lower teir/paid QB could make the team better. I also think the QB having "The Want" is a major factor. JB( and JD5 put in the work to make their spectacular jumps to elite. Many of the QB that play have the physical attributes necessary but only a few have the extra mental toughness and drive to be truly elite. We need a QB that will take advantage of LSU's facilities like the VR room and Lane's coaching.
In the end no one on this board really has enough information to really say one way or the other. Lane has the complete picture and I trust him. It makes no sense double guessing when you have no idea what the decisions are being based off of.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 3:57 pm to chRxis
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i ignored it b/c you are still conflating the arguments...
Then maybe you should have framed your question better. You flat-out asked for lower-rated QBs who have won titles over the last 15 years. I gave you 2 from the last 5 years and another who elevated his offense to that level who was from the FCS. And I fully explained why we will keep seeing more of these types of players get elevated to P4 schools.
I may not prefer Clark to be the starter next season, but his offer list adequately demonstrates my point about talent being pushed down over where they would have been coming out of HS in the past.
As for QB this season, there aren’t that many below a small number of name brand guys like Sorsby, Leavitt, Lagway, Raiola, etc. You talk about being pragmatic, but with all of the roster needs we have, I’m not sure any of them will be worth the asking price for us this season. Several of them have major red flags and guys right below them like Knight and the kid from USC have basically no experience. Where is the magical highly-rated QB you are looking for in this portal?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:17 pm to burke985
He can run but damn the kid has a cannon on him. Time on task against better players and I think he could be a top QB in the SEC. We have to close this before he leaves.
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:19 pm to misey94
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As for QB this season, there aren’t that many below a small number of name brand guys like Sorsby, Leavitt, Lagway, Raiola, etc.
exactly.... go get the best... you can go cheap on that 9th WR, or 5th Edge rusher...
we got a fricking LS before we got a QB... c'mon man... be for real... i'm not saying the sky is falling, we made a mistake with Kiffin, etc... nothing like that.. but if it's at least a little concerning, that we have ZERO QBs right now... i honestly don't believe any of the "im not worried" crowd...
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all of the roster needs we have
do we REALLY needs to still be taking WRs right now? 7 WRs, when you haven't even got a QB to throw to them at the moment, seems like a bit of overkill, IMO...
quote:Leavitt has been the guy, for me, from the beginning, and still is now... unfortunately, i think that ship is probably sailed, but that is the guy i wanted from the beginning... Sorsby was intriguing b/c he was healthy, but in the end, Leavitt is the guy, when healthy, gives us the best option in Lane's offense...
Where is the magical highly-rated QB you are looking for in this portal?
Clark is fine as a backup... I have no problem with that... but thinking we should go with him at QB1 is fricking insane to me
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:21 pm to chRxis
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but if it's at least a little concerning, that we have ZERO QBs right now.
The best QB in the portal is still currently available, they’re making him say no, everyone else left they could get in an instant as they are all about the same, so until Sam officially tells you no thanks, you wait it out.
There are other QB’s out there better than Clark who we could get, but they will also want to start and would wait to see what happens with Sam. They know if they sign on and Sam comes in they have no chance at starting.
This post was edited on 1/10/26 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:25 pm to Soggymoss
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The best QB in the portal is still currently available
i'm well aware...
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they’re making him say no
well, that little stunt that they pulled with Demond Williams, they may get their wish...
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everyone else left they could get in an instant as they are all about the same
yeah, and they all are marginally better than MVB, who is not at all an SEC QB...
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until Sam officially tells you no
shouldn't be long now... i'd LOVE to be wrong, b/c he's the guy i've wanted the entire time, but yeah, i just don't see it after his visit and how that whole thing played out
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:27 pm to chRxis
Still though a 5 star in the hands of Brian kelly is about equal to a 3 star in lanes hands IMO. Why did all these people that left on the o line and wr struggle against the type of players from small schools that we just signed?
Posted on 1/10/26 at 4:28 pm to chRxis
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no...your mom's house... why do you ask?
Impossible, she passed away last year.
But wow, you really kicked this up a notch.
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