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re: Can the NCAA stop this opting out or have they put themselves in a difficult situation?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:29 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:29 pm to SammyTiger
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You are free to quit playing football any time you want.
So no.
I dont Think it will keep going after this year.
Correct but to my knowledge you are still on scholarship right?
Can LSU pull chase, shelvin, Vincent's scholarship. Are they still enrolled going to school for free?
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Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:51 pm to Smell the crawfish
Can your employer keep you from quitting and doing what’s best for you?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 9:59 pm to Smell the crawfish
Last I checked this is a free country and the NCAA has no control over players not wanted to play. I do believe the NFL will crack down on agents and shy away from kids that do. Mainly because they don't want to develop raw talent on their own dime at the top of the draft. 1st rd picks are already 50/50 on working out, this will make it worst. Most projects you see in the NFL go later than rd 3 and many are undrafted. Lastly, I think NIL kicking in helps reduce kids leaving early. They will be able to market themselves and get paid and any great marketer knows that bowl games make money. Also, those big time players using NIL to generate money will be able to purchase insurance policies to cover slippage if due to injury. Many people dislike the NIL but I think its great for the sport and will take care of a few issues college football is fighting at the moment.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:01 pm to tigersbb
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Opting out is not an NCAA matter. Players have left programs every year during the season. The opt out is just an in vogue term players initially used to justify leaving because of coronavirus concerns,
Fournette battled an ankle injury all year and played hurt very well most of the year. He was not healthy and would not be healthy until he let the ankle rest. I dont consider this the same thing at all. TM is completely healthy and there are 3 games left.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:20 pm to Magician2
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Correct but to my knowledge you are still on scholarship right?
Can LSU pull chase, shelvin, Vincent's scholarship. Are they still enrolled going to school for free?
They can pull a player's scholarship at any time for failure to live up to their responsibilities. It would be a bad look to remove a scholarship from a player who leaves the team due to announced COVID concerns. That would eliminate any chance of them returning, best example Neil Farrel briefly leaving and then returning a few weeks later.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:27 pm to young man tiger
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The NFL could, and it would probably be in their interest to do so. Football is a developmental sport, and the league would much rather take a top talent who’s been properly seasoned rather than be obligated to make a pick based on talent alone.
You’re getting downvoted, but this is the truth. It’s fairly well-documented that the NFL and the NFLPA aren’t huge fans of the increasing trend towards early entry into the draft over the past 10 years or so.
The NFL’s feelings on this aren’t really related to guys like Chase or Stingley. For every early entrant that’s a first round lock, there are another 2+ that don’t get drafted at all. 25% of early entrants go undrafted. That’s saying nothing of the guys who would be better pros if they waited another year. Note that I said better pros, not higher draft picks - NFL teams are willing to gamble on draft picks, but the NFL as a whole would prefer to gamble less and have more polished prospects.
That said, while the NFL could put a stop to the opt-outs by changing the draft entry requirements, I don’t think it’s likely that they will. I doubt it would be worth the negative PR they would get. It would look like they are enabling the NCAA, and the sportswriters already have a hard-on for the NCAA’s current system.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:07 pm to Smell the crawfish
Opt out means you are afraid of getting the covid and you want to come back the next year and play for your college team. These LSU players are QUITTING to safeguard their status for the NFL Draft. It has nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with them getting a big paycheck.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:10 pm to tigersbb
quote:I would be shocked if any of them are taking classes after they quit. I mean they are here to play football in the NFL and don't care about a degree.
Are they still enrolled going to school for free?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:16 pm to Smell the crawfish
What type of person would advocate for more rules from an overreaching authority to prevent young men from exercising their own free will?
Posted on 12/1/20 at 11:35 pm to josh336
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The only real fix would be to incentivize players to stay, either through actually allowing them to be paid, which the ncaa doesnt want to allow for some archaic reason, or get the nfl to emphasize to the players that it will hurt their stock if they opt out. The first choice is the better option.
The NCAA will eventually be forced to allow players to profit from their likeness and sponsorships, but they would be smart to pull the trigger now for next year. A few top players may still go opt out of an entire season, but most will be able to make enough for it to be worth playing for 3 years. That money will come with some strings, too. if you don’t play and aren’t on TV for an entire year, most of those sponsors will drop your arse.
This will be a win across the board, even for small schools and people in other sports. They will be able to sponsor and run camps and clinics and get paid to do it. Rank and file athletes won’t get rich, but they will be able to make money directly off of their sport.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:11 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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The NFL could.
Not really. It would be killed in any court as a form of discrimination.
The ONLY possible exception would be if the NFL made a policy that required their players to have something like a physical education degree from a credited college in order to be hired for the job.
As of now, there is no education requirement for an NFL job, hence why it would be considered discrimination by the courts if it ever went to trial. In fact, the current requirement could possibly be undone by the court system if anyone really wanted to spend the money fighting it.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:28 am to lostinbr
Its strange how all of Saban,s players finish the season! 
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:51 am to Smell the crawfish
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I understand they can quit anytime, but will players be able to opt in and out like anytime like they can now?
Whats the difference between "opting out"and quitting? Players aren't under contract, they can walk away at anytime. This is the college football culture we have created. It has nothing to do with NCAA and they can't do anything to stop it
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:50 pm to J2thaROC
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In fact, the current requirement could possibly be undone by the court system if anyone really wanted to spend the money fighting it.
I believe that it is the NFLPA that is preventing younger players from entering the draft. You can't join the NFLPA until you are three years out of HS. The NFL is a closed shop, so to play you must be in the NFLPA. Not sure what the courts could do. IIRC Maurice Clarett took them to court over this and lost.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 1:04 pm to Smell the crawfish
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Can the NCAA stop this opting out or have they put themselves in a difficult situation
You think kids have never “quit” a sport before? And why exactly would you propose to stop it?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 3:38 pm to Smell the crawfish
These kids should be able to do whatever they think is best for them. Of course, lose their scholarships immediately if they choose to leave or quit.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:you can't, and you shouldn't be able to because freedom, you know.
I didn’t read a word you wrote but how can they possibly stop players from quitting?
But quitting players, when not for a legit reason like injury, academics, family or personal situation, etc, harms the team and the school. They took the school's scholarship money, used their billion dollar facilities, got massive exposure under the schools' billion dollar brand, etc.
In return, they committed to play football. If they back out of that commitment, I think it's fair for the school to get them to pay back a pro-rata share of their scholarship dollars.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:16 pm to lsudocts
Marshall may be healthy now, but he has been a bit injury-prone. Now could be optimal time for his decision, given his history. Risk vs reward...
Posted on 12/2/20 at 4:51 pm to Bristol Dawg
I agree totally with what you are saying. But what about the players - not the ones that are NFL bound - who opted out and sat out all year due to the virus? Does the NCAA have any grounds to stop a player who opted out last year from transferring? Technically, they would have played but the virus caused them to sit out. I don't think the NCAA has a leg to stand on if that player wants to transfer because they did sit out a year for a reason they couldn't control.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:25 pm to young man tiger
quote:wtf? So players better start from when they’re freshmen. They also can’t miss the second halves of blowouts, NO MATTER WHAT.
Players must be three years out of high school and also must accumulate say 128 quarters of play. A quarter counts when a player checks into the game for one play in any given quarter of gameplay.
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