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re: Charles McClendon- Greatest LSU Football Coach?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:56 am to stephendomalley
Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:56 am to stephendomalley
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ood man and good coach. But he was conservative as hell on offense.
Pass was a 4 letter word in his vocabulary.
If a running play worked he would run it 3 more times in a row.
our first string always matched up with bama but not the depth. If you wanted a chance, you had to have some imagination on offense. he didn't. This was why everyone wanted mac to pack.
he was a great defensive coach. we had some championship defenses.
im not an lsu expert like yall but that sounds like les miles.
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 11:59 am to Hawkeye95
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that sounds like les miles.
that was my thought when I read that
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:06 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You're a good poster, but I don't fathom how number of Ws defines actual greatness. This # of Wins metric would place a coach with 137 Ws in 18 years over one (hypothetical) who went undefeated 5 straight seasons with multiple NCs.
Wins? (Sorry. Forgot those didn't matter, anymore.)
Heck, a coach could amass 137 losses reaching the 137 win mark and be more indicative of a program accepting long term mediocrity than coaching prowess.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:44 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Charlie Mac will now get severely underrated by many trying to prop up Miles (a great coach in his own right).
Charlie Mac didn't have some of the rent a wins Miles has had while coaching here, and please note that all coaches now have tons of rent-a-wins compared to back then. LSU didn't have near the facilities compared to many of their rivals back then like they do now.
As much as people rip on the criticism that Miles gets, Charlie Mac got it just as bad as Miles did despite his success. Charlie Mac also coached in an era where NCAA rules were ridiculously weak and teams like Bama would take tons of players just to keep them from other teams.
In the end, Charlie Mac is definitely top 3/4 to me tied with Miles. As much as it pains me, Saban is #2 and Dietzel will always be #1 in my book given he brought LSU its only undefeated title.
Charlie Mac didn't have some of the rent a wins Miles has had while coaching here, and please note that all coaches now have tons of rent-a-wins compared to back then. LSU didn't have near the facilities compared to many of their rivals back then like they do now.
As much as people rip on the criticism that Miles gets, Charlie Mac got it just as bad as Miles did despite his success. Charlie Mac also coached in an era where NCAA rules were ridiculously weak and teams like Bama would take tons of players just to keep them from other teams.
In the end, Charlie Mac is definitely top 3/4 to me tied with Miles. As much as it pains me, Saban is #2 and Dietzel will always be #1 in my book given he brought LSU its only undefeated title.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:52 pm to Sir Cumfrence
When it comes to conservative, miles can't tie cholly's shoe laces.
yeah, miles can be conservative, but you had to live thru cholly's era to really know what conservative is.
He was a great defensive coach. Man, the pressure that was put on his defenses because the offense was so conservative. Later in his tenure there were coaches opening things up. not mac.
he generally won the games he was supposed to and lost the ones he was supposed to.
I have some good memories but he overstayed his welcome; otherwise he would have been remembered more fondly.
yeah, miles can be conservative, but you had to live thru cholly's era to really know what conservative is.
He was a great defensive coach. Man, the pressure that was put on his defenses because the offense was so conservative. Later in his tenure there were coaches opening things up. not mac.
he generally won the games he was supposed to and lost the ones he was supposed to.
I have some good memories but he overstayed his welcome; otherwise he would have been remembered more fondly.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:08 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Les Miles
Mac always lost to Alabama and had a hard time beating Ole Miss.
Saban was not here long enough.
Bernie Moore just hard lots of hard luck.
Paul got chased off before he had a chance to show if he would be a long term great coach.
Mac always lost to Alabama and had a hard time beating Ole Miss.
Saban was not here long enough.
Bernie Moore just hard lots of hard luck.
Paul got chased off before he had a chance to show if he would be a long term great coach.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:09 pm to The Boat
help mac pack was the then rantardo anthym and they were sure that great coaches grew on trees in louisiana but they spent 20 years ending their prayers with bring Mac back!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:10 pm to stephendomalley
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Man, the pressure that was put on his defenses because the offense was so conservative. Later in his tenure there were coaches opening things up. not mac.
Mac's offensive philosophy was largely a product of his time. Few teams did much in the way of a passing game until around 1970, and even then most teams kept their offenses leaning towards the running game--the SEC in general was big on the option/Wishbone formation, etc.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:18 pm to TheDude321
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-the SEC in general was big on the option/Wishbone formation, etc.
yep, Bama was much like we've been over the last few years(exception of last season,) they had a stable of stud rb's, a huge line, and would just beat everyone into submission, as good as their backs were, I don't recall any 1000 yarders, because they'd rotate them so much, not much passing, going back a ways, but, if you look a Namath's stats compared to an avg. college qb today, you wonder if he was even a starter, Bring Mac Back!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:18 pm to Lacour
Sabin is not even close with out denardos players ,espn taking over his recruiting and slive watching his backside, sabin would be an acc coach maybe !
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:44 pm to stephendomalley
quote:Mac was a defensive game genius in his day. I'll never forget that great 0-3 home-cooking loss to a damn good Notre Dame team at South Bend. I think it was 1969. They were supposed to make minced meat of the Tigers. They were damn lucky to win this squeaker. And then they came to Death Valley the next year and all hell broke out on the stunned Irish on national TV. It was glorious.
He was a great defensive coach. Man, the pressure that was put on his defenses because the offense was so conservative. Later in his tenure there were coaches opening things up. not mac.
he generally won the games he was supposed to and lost the ones he was supposed to.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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And in 1969 - that team was 1 field goal from the Cotton Bowl.
The '69 team was a field goal away from playing for and winning the NC.
Go back and look at LSU and Texas' game scores against common opponents that year.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:22 pm to timm6971463
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Sabin is not even close with out denardos players ,espn taking over his recruiting and slive watching his backside, sabin would be an acc coach maybe !
Firstly, it's "Saban."
Secondly, I think it's moronic to not be able to acknowledge that Saban is the best coach in the nation, and probably one of the very best of all time. But no, he's only dominating at Bama because of ESPN and Mike Slive. Good grief.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:27 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Don't think Great or Greatest and Cholly Mac come to mind in the same sentence...??
Remember LSU gave scholarships to players so that they would not go to competitive schools. He coached in Whole different world.
Remember LSU gave scholarships to players so that they would not go to competitive schools. He coached in Whole different world.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:29 pm to 11thACR
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LSU gave scholarships to players so that they would not go to competitive schools
not to the extent that the Bear did, he invented that game, and even bragged about how he had guys that would probably start around the SEC on scholarship, that would never set foot on the playing field for him
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:52 pm to atltiger6487
quote:OP
I think it's moronic to not be able to acknowledge that Saban is the best coach in the nation
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Greatest LSU Football Coach?
Carry on kneeling.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 4:53 pm to timm6971463
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Sabin is not even close with out denardos players ,espn taking over his recruiting and slive watching his backside, sabin would be an acc coach maybe !
Sabin?? Are you 12?
Posted on 6/4/14 at 5:19 pm to atltiger6487
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Firstly, it's "Saban."
He also misspelled "DiNardo."
Posted on 6/4/14 at 6:42 pm to TheDude321
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This is a myth. His signees later went on to be drafted into the NFL at the same rate as those under any other LSU coach.
Yes, a few. However, the overall crop started dropping off. Yes, there were some stars who went to the NFL. However, it takes more than just them to make an overall team good. The overall talent of the last class was not that of the earlier ones. And yes, it is documented in more than one book on LSU that Arns did not like recruiting and the coaches at opposing schools were on to this.
Take the recruiting factor out and Arns was damned good. I remember the guy running about the stadium after a victory thanking the crowd, which was classy. On a more humorous side, I also remember him getting pissed at the refs on more than one occasion and offering the ref his glasses. Somehow, he avoided a technical(s) for those antics, and yes, they were one hell of a hit with the crowd as it fired them up even more.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 6:50 pm to TheDude321
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Mac's offensive philosophy was largely a product of his time. Few teams did much in the way of a passing game until around 1970, and even then most teams kept their offenses leaning towards the running game--the SEC in general was big on the option/Wishbone formation, etc.
This was pretty much the way it was. At that time, the assumption was that you needed a good running game to open up any chances for passing. Also, in the early to mid 70's, the option/wishbone was the thing. Tom Osborn even ran the option out of the "I" at Nebraska. You really did not see things open up on the passing game on the national stage until Bobby Bowden utilized a two QB passing attack at Florida St, which he used to beat LSU the first time they came to BR. One it was a day game, and those really felt strange back then. Second, we were looking at this team who had two QBs who could pass the daylights out of a defense, and were holding our breaths every time their QB dropped back. It wasn't a good day. Oddly, Bowden later admitted that if he had lost that game that he would have probably been on his way to LSU. However, he won it and felt like things were starting to go his way and he decided to stay at Fla. St.
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