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re: Gavin Dugas signed for $20K.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:29 pm to Tigerfan1274
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:29 pm to Tigerfan1274
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What choice did he have?
Why is baseball the only sport that fricks their players cuz “what choice do they have?”
Once a player enters the nfl draft, they don’t have a choice either but the teams don’t bend them over a barrel and arse duck them. They get paid according to their draft slot.
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:31 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why is baseball the only sport that fricks their players cuz “what choice do they have?”
The NBA has 2 rounds. So it’s either quit basketball or go play overseas. Most college football players don’t make it at all and/or are cut weeks after signing pro contracts. Golfers without sponsors lose money until they make it on the PGA Tour. Trying to be a professional athlete isn’t easy.
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Once a player enters the nfl draft, they don’t have a choice either but the teams don’t bend them over a barrel and arse duck them.
7th round draft picks get like 100k signing bonus and have no guarantees. They get cut with the quickness all the time. The NFL’s revenue also dwarfs Major League Baseball and franchises only have 56 roster players and 25 practice squads guys to pay, not a 40 man roster plus an entire minor league system
If MLB teams had guaranteed slot bonuses, Dugas would not have been a 6th round pick. MLB teams take care of the prospects they don’t want to lose. It’s a business, not a charity. If their model didn’t work, they wouldn’t use it
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:37 pm to lsufball19
Yeah no one is saying that it’s easy, but a second rounder in the nba is given a 6 figure contract not less than the cashier makes at Burger King.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:38 pm to Tigerfan1274
Pulling hard for him. One of my all time favorite tigers
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:38 pm to Tigerfan1274
That’s why he was taken in the top 10 rounds
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:39 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah no one is saying that it’s easy, but a second rounder in the nba is given a 6 figure contract not less than the cashier makes at Burger King.
Now compare the roster sizes. Far less mouths to feed in the NBA
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:39 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Why is baseball the only sport that fricks their players cuz “what choice do they have?”
Because they view the ones that they are fricking as having very little chance of making it to majors. Only around 10% of college seniors even get drafted. No clue how many actually make it, but I bet it’s tiny. Not all minor leaguers are viewed or treated the same. College seniors are mostly viewed as roster fillers for a couple of years and then they will be on with the rest of their life.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:41 pm to Tigerfan1274
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Only around 10% of college seniors even get drafted. No clue how many actually make it, but I bet it’s tiny.
This is some perspective by draft round
The MLB draft is the biggest crap shoot of any pro sport
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:44 pm to lsufball19
That’s pretty staggering. 1 in 5 drafted after the 7th round will actually make it. And that represents over 60% of the draft. Wonder how many of those actually stick around for a couple years. Kramer Roberson made it for two weeks. Wonder if that counts the same.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:47 pm to Tigerfan1274
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Wonder if that counts the same.
I’d assume so. The MLB also has a separate process for drafting/signing international players who now make up about 30% of all MLB players. It’s damn near impossible to get to the MLB and stay there. There’s just so much competition for spots. So it begs the question why so many are shocked MLB teams are really calculated with which players they invest a lot of money into with their rookie contracts. And the MLB has to pay salaries for about 250 players if you include MLB and their entire farm system. They don’t have the money to just shell out 6 figure deals to everyone, especially when their entire farm system loses money every year
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:54 pm to lsufball19
Bottom line. Kid busted his arse his entire life for the chance to say he went "pro". Whatever that ends up being, who knows? Wore THE #8 cuz he's not a pussy, has LSU records that probably won't be beat, a National Title, got the fcking key to his home city, can say he got drafted in the 6th round (fck u if you don't think you'd wear that badge) and he has 2 LSU degrees. He'll be just fine.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 8:57 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Then he should go work at BK if he didn’t like the bonus offered.
MLB franchises generally have between 250-350 players under contract throughout the majors and minors. If they had to pay 6 figure bonuses to every player drafted/signed in the minors they would quickly and dramatically reduce the number of players in their farm systems and only pay the most in demand prospects. That means a guy like Dugas would probably never even get a real shot. Like so many other football and basketball players
Basically Washington doesn’t see him as a likely MLB player. But he’s good enough, at the right price, to give him a shot in the minors to prove the franchise wrong. Still, they aren’t going to pay 6 figures for a tryout when the have to pay 200+ other prospects as well. If Dugas performs well the market will dictate a higher salary. If not, Washington is out a few thousand bucks.
MLB franchises generally have between 250-350 players under contract throughout the majors and minors. If they had to pay 6 figure bonuses to every player drafted/signed in the minors they would quickly and dramatically reduce the number of players in their farm systems and only pay the most in demand prospects. That means a guy like Dugas would probably never even get a real shot. Like so many other football and basketball players
Basically Washington doesn’t see him as a likely MLB player. But he’s good enough, at the right price, to give him a shot in the minors to prove the franchise wrong. Still, they aren’t going to pay 6 figures for a tryout when the have to pay 200+ other prospects as well. If Dugas performs well the market will dictate a higher salary. If not, Washington is out a few thousand bucks.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:12 pm to CP3forMVP
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don’t really care if “that’s just the way it is” or “that’s how it’s always been,” a team giving a guy only $20K is fricking retarded
You do realize that the Nationals had a “hand shake” deal in place with Dugas before they actually sent his name in for their 6th round pick don’t you? If Dugas had told them he wouldn’t sign for $20,000, they would have drafted someone else.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:41 pm to lsunatchamp
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If you are in a minor league dugout, you are worth more than that just based on the ticket sales alone. Dudes are out there playing in front of 10,000 people on the weekends and having to mow lawns for extra money after practice
They’re not being forced to continue playing baseball. They could just enter the workforce using the degree they earned.
Very rarely are they playing in front of 10k crowds. The majority of they guys outside of Skenes and Crews will never play in front of a crowd the size they were accustomed to at the box
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:43 pm to Tigerfan1274
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What choice did he have?
don’t they lose his full slot value if they don’t sign him? doesn’t that give them some kind of leverage? not a ton but damn 20k for a 6th rounder is rough.
and the MLB is going to pay him a teachers salary in the minors. seems like a real investment.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 9:46 pm to Wichita Co Tiger
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I bet he wouldn’t trade this year for anything
When Texas played at LSU a few years ago, Roger Clemens was in attendance b/c his son Cody played for Texas.
In an interview with our radio broadcast team, Roger made it VERY clear that nothing he ever did in MLB came close to how it felt to win the 1983 CWS with Texas. He went on to say any time he speaks to young baseball players he shows them his championship ring and tells them the same thing. He was adamant about it too.
That said, with NIL deals, big college programs are becoming more attractive to HS kids who don't get drafted early.
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:05 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Once a player enters the nfl draft, they don’t have a choice either but the teams don’t bend them over a barrel and arse duck them. They get paid according to their draft slot.
they also go to an NFL team and play in front of 80K every week and on TV in front of millions of eyes.
Baseball draftees go to ballparks about the size of some High Schools in Louisiana and are not even on local TV.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:14 pm to Nutriaitch
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they also go to an NFL team and play in front of 80K every week and on TV in front of millions of eyes.
Yep and NFL practice team salaries are higher than most of these Baseball players will ever receive.
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:17 pm to wildtigercat93
Professional sports have nothing on lawyers, politicians and buzzards/vultures lighting on road kill
Posted on 7/13/23 at 10:17 pm to SmoothBox
Unless a player can decline that number and go into free agency, there is no recourse for a player like that. They can't tell the team, I will not sign and hit free agency. They're stuck to that number, or they can't play.
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