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re: Gavin Dugas signed for $20K.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:17 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Once a player enters the nfl draft, they don’t have a choice either but the teams don’t bend them over a barrel and arse duck them. They get paid according to their draft slot.
Only if they make the team and are on the roster during the season. A 7th rounder who gets cut in camp does not get paid beyond any signing bonus he got plus what they pay in camp. However those that do are in the NFL, the top of the sport, where revenue is in the billions. That’s not comparable to a guy playing rookie ball or low A. If he makes the show he’ll be making more than late round NFL rookies
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:46 pm to lsufball19
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Wonder if that counts the same.
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I’d assume so.
It definitely does. That graft you posted counts guys that were called up for just 1 day and may not have even gotten an AB or played in the field. If they were on the roster for 1 day, they count. So the actual % for guys who get called up and actually stick is far less.
You alluded to it in the rest of your post talking about international players, but I think people have a hard time comprehending just how many people play baseball. Theoretically, every high school SR. in America/Canada, every Jr college player, every draft eligible SO, JR, SR, redshirt SR, and COVID SR was eligible for this past draft. That’s 10s of THOUSANDS of players. And that doesn’t count all the international players.
There are 30 MLB teams with 27 roster spots. That’s 810 major league players at any given time. And each club has only 4 minor league teams (rookie, A, AA, AAA). I don’t know the exact roster limits for these, but for easy math, let’s say they’re 25-man rosters, so that’s another 100 per team, which is 3,000 for all team. So let’s add that to 810 and round up for injuries, guys under contract playing in the international leagues, etc…and say there are 4,000ish guys under contract for MLB organizations at any given time. (It may be more with international guys—I don’t know exactly how that works, but let’s just put them to the side for this exercise).
So, out of tens of thousands of eligible players, 600+ get drafted (20 rounds x 30 teams plus conditional rounds/picks) EVERY YEAR for only 4,000 spots. Considering after rookie ball, most of those 4,000 stick for at least a few years (some 5-15), it should be easy to see just how hard it is to actually make it and break into that 810 on major league teams. It’s just not possible—or responsible—to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into all 600+ draftees EVERY YEAR when so few of them will ever even make the final 810 for a day, much less stick around long enough to actually contribute and produce at the big league level.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 1:15 pm to Hot Carl
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There are 30 MLB teams with 27 roster spots. That’s 810 major league players at any given time. And each club has only 4 minor league teams (rookie, A, AA, AAA). I don’t know the exact roster limits for these, but for easy math, let’s say they’re 25-man rosters, so that’s another 100 per team, which is 3,000 for all team.
They got rid of the short-season leagues and rookie leagues but still have high A and low A plus they now put guys on developmental status and can play around with how many guys they actually carry. Most minor league levels have 30 man rosters. I think a fair estimate would be franchises carry 200-250 contracts at any given time from the major league roster all the way down, including the Dominican league.
But yeah, I agree with the context of everything you said. Making and staying in the majors is a mini-miracle for 99.999% of baseball players around the world, even for players drafted after like the 3rd round
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 7/14/23 at 1:39 pm to lsufball19
Yeah, I appreciate that. I knew my numbers weren’t exactly right, but just tried to ballpark it in order to make my point. My number was closer to 150 per club, but that didn’t include the international guys. But take those extra 50-100 spots per club and add the additional influx of talent they bring to the 600+ draftees EACH YEAR, and it still puts into perspective how hard it is to just stick around in the minors for multiple years much less the bigs.
And to the point of this thread, you just can’t pay guys like Dugas $300k every year because there are just so many of them every year. But Gavin knew the deal. I’m sure he was well aware and of what he was looking at knows the value of the memories and accomplishments of this year, the equity that he put into the LSU program that he will be able to cash in on whenever his playing days are officially over, and the opportunity to continue playing and chasing his dream were all worth much, much more over a lifetime than that extra $280k. I doubt he feels like he “got screwed over” in the slightest.
And to the point of this thread, you just can’t pay guys like Dugas $300k every year because there are just so many of them every year. But Gavin knew the deal. I’m sure he was well aware and of what he was looking at knows the value of the memories and accomplishments of this year, the equity that he put into the LSU program that he will be able to cash in on whenever his playing days are officially over, and the opportunity to continue playing and chasing his dream were all worth much, much more over a lifetime than that extra $280k. I doubt he feels like he “got screwed over” in the slightest.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 1:51 pm to Hot Carl
I read they cut the affiliated teams to 120 (was 160) so 4 per MLB team like you said. Lower levels have 30 man rosters AAA and AA 28 iirc
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/14/23 at 6:38 pm to LSU82BILL
I’ll say it again for the purblind. It’s a MONOPOLY! It violates Natural Law, specifically the obligation of contracts that even the Holy Constitution acknowledges.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 7:26 pm to LSUStar
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Natural Law, specifically the obligation of contracts that even the Holy Constitution acknowledges.
This is unbelievably stupid even for this board and 100% factually inaccurate.
There are several independent minor leagues that are not affiliated with or controlled by MLB. The low pay of low level prospects has nothing to do with “monopoly” power anyway. If that was the case why wouldn’t they pay Skenes the same?
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:31 pm to Tigerfan1274
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That’s why juniors rarely return for the Sr. season.
Yep, in any deal, leverage is key.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 6:11 am to Tigerfan1274
He could have received more than that in NIL deal
Posted on 7/15/23 at 8:24 am to Tigerfan1274
If they put him in AA, the minimum contract salary is 30K. Players union recently renegotiated the salaries across the board for the minors and they went way up.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:11 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah no one is saying that it’s easy, but a second rounder in the nba is given a 6 figure contract not less than the cashier makes at Burger King.
Okay, an NBA Draft has 60 total players drafted. The MLB Draft had 614 players drafted this year.
Moving to an NBA Draft system doesn't help a guy like Dugas, because under that system he doesn't even get drafted period. He either gets a real job or he's immediately off to some other country to try playing baseball. For undrafted basketball players who have to go overseas to play, what is the likelihood of them ending up in the NBA?
Clueless people like yourself intrigue me. Do you think the NBA would be handing out 6-figure contracts to everyone if it was 300 players drafted, and not 60? Slot value at pick #60 in the MLB Draft was $1.34 million this year, by the way.
What you fail to realize is that the MLB system actually gives hundreds of these players an opportunity to continue their dream, all the while receiving professional coaching. For a guy like Dugas, he will actually receive several years in the minors to try to prove himself as long as he's not just complete crap. This isn't true for any other sport. A 6th or 7th round NFL draft pick can get cut weeks into his "contract", it happens literally every year. Then it's off to the Arena league or XFL or off to Saskatchewan to play in the CFL.
These guys also aren't "forced" to do anything. He could easily have told MLB teams that he's not taking an underslot deal and intends to try to make more money in Japan or Korea. Again, there is value in being a player within an MLB team's minor league system.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 11:24 am to Doctor K
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He could have received more than that in NIL deal
I continue to be amazed at what fans think baseball players make in NIL deals
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:42 pm to lsunatchamp
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They gotta do something about that.
MLB has an exemption from anti-trust laws codified into law. They can shake down players, states, and cities however they want.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 12:46 pm to BeepNode
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MLB has an exemption from anti-trust laws codified into law. They can shake down players, states, and cities however they want.
NFL says hold my beer, with a snide grin
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:11 pm to lsunatchamp
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Minimum salary for a AAA ball player is $35,000. Lowest is $19,800 in Single-A. If you are in a minor league dugout, you are worth more than that just based on the ticket sales alone.
Dude it’s the minors. Skenes and Crews probably aren’t box office outside of Louisiana. Dugas certainly isn’t
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:20 pm to lsufball19
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Baseball players NIL deals are far far less than this board has convinced themselves they are
But are they what other teams’ fans think they are?
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:31 pm to Tigerfan1274
He probably needs surgery in that shoulder.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
Right. Nice try. How many have multimillion dollar TV contracts? Spoken like an attorney.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 7/15/23 at 1:55 pm to H-Town Tiger
Nothing quite like being uninformed.
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