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re: Is everyone underestimating the 2014 LSU football offense?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:56 am to HeadedToTheWoods
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:56 am to HeadedToTheWoods
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This will b a poor offense IMO. No QB is always a killer.
I didn't realize we were playing this year without a QB. Must have missed that somewhere along the way.
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:41 am to SpookeyTiger
Harris, this coming season, will be more of a threat to defensives and more of a headache for defensive coordinators around the SEC than Mett ever was. He just needs recievers to step up to replace OBJ and Landry. He should have more options to go to than Mett had with just those two. Will get the backs and TE's more involved in the passing game this season as well. HIll was a great back but I don't think we miss a beat with Fournette and Magee this season. Running behind a better more experienced line, and with Neighbors back for another season.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:55 am to Brettesaurus Rex
There is a reasonable chance that LSU is fighting with Arkansas for the worst QB play in the division. LSU's run game is going to be good. Buga and all that... Still doesn't change the fact that poor QB play is going to be a major problem.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:56 am to boxcar willie
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Harris, this coming season, will be more of a threat to defensives and more of a headache for defensive coordinators around the SEC than Mett ever was.
That is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:16 am to TeLeFaWx
I hate saying this, but I agree with the Reb (sort of). Alabama and A&M definitely aren't set at QB either though at this point. Plus, we've won the division without great QB play before.
Our offense has the pieces to develop into a dominant power run type of team (ala 2011). Anyone who mentions Auburn has no idea what their talking about, LSU won't resemble that offense at all.
Dural will be an All-conference level reciever before he's done. Desean Smith is also going to be a weapon. Other than that, the passing game is a complete unknown. Jennings or Harris could turn into a serviceable (perhaps even dynamic) option, but we just don't know yet. Dupre and Quinn are both highly rated and highly accomplished recievers coming in, but that means nothing until they see the field. Diarse/Leslie/Peterson will have to step up and be at least somewhat reliable to move the chains.
LF will be special. There's zero doubt he will be a playmaker in all phases of the offense. TM and Hilliard both bring a lot to the table at the running back position as well.
We all know what we have in the line. They will be good-great and will keep us in every game.
Cam will find ways to make the offense efficient. He's going to put the personnel out there that he believes will execute the gameplan. Expect a lot of tight games this year, but also expect a lot of wins. This team compares best to 2010 LSU.
Our offense has the pieces to develop into a dominant power run type of team (ala 2011). Anyone who mentions Auburn has no idea what their talking about, LSU won't resemble that offense at all.
Dural will be an All-conference level reciever before he's done. Desean Smith is also going to be a weapon. Other than that, the passing game is a complete unknown. Jennings or Harris could turn into a serviceable (perhaps even dynamic) option, but we just don't know yet. Dupre and Quinn are both highly rated and highly accomplished recievers coming in, but that means nothing until they see the field. Diarse/Leslie/Peterson will have to step up and be at least somewhat reliable to move the chains.
LF will be special. There's zero doubt he will be a playmaker in all phases of the offense. TM and Hilliard both bring a lot to the table at the running back position as well.
We all know what we have in the line. They will be good-great and will keep us in every game.
Cam will find ways to make the offense efficient. He's going to put the personnel out there that he believes will execute the gameplan. Expect a lot of tight games this year, but also expect a lot of wins. This team compares best to 2010 LSU.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:50 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Misread OP
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 10:56 am to TeLeFaWx
quote:1 bowl game & spring practice got you to this conclusion? nice work chief
There is a reasonable chance that LSU is fighting with Arkansas for the worst QB play in the division. LSU's run game is going to be good. Buga and all that... Still doesn't change the fact that poor QB play is going to be a major problem.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:08 am to rmnldr
We lost Bowe, Davis and Russell in the same draft, lost two games the next year. Won a NC, but no way that happens again with two loses. The SEC was not loaded like it is now.
Our QBs are young this year. If we are going to compete at a championship level, our QB has to not blow games (ie jarrett lee). At this point, Jennings seams mistake prone. Harris is a true freshman. I think it's going to be a very conservative offense this year. I don't expect big QB numbers.
Our QBs are young this year. If we are going to compete at a championship level, our QB has to not blow games (ie jarrett lee). At this point, Jennings seams mistake prone. Harris is a true freshman. I think it's going to be a very conservative offense this year. I don't expect big QB numbers.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:20 am to abellsujr
I expect the TE and FB to be used more this year than maybe ever in LSU history...Harris is in Calif. right now honing his skills...this incoming WR class will pleasantly surprise...jmho
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:26 am to abellsujr
Actually with the playoff it's more likely than ever that a 2 loss team could win it all.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 3:25 pm to Phil2012
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I expect the TE and FB to be used more this year than maybe ever in LSU history...Harris is in Calif. right now honing his skills...this incoming WR class will pleasantly surprise...jmho
Agreed. Inexperience is not the same thing as talent. And with Cam, the LSU offense won't be as inefficient and one-dimensional as past years.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 4:03 pm to tlsu15
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I hate saying this, but I agree with the Reb
This guy isn't a Rebel fan. He's just an Aggie troll in disguise.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 4:55 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:It is possible that the offense is being underestimated. It is also possible that Cam and the offense are being over estimated. Variables galore, either way. I really don't know what to expect and am willing to be surprised. Just want all surprises to be happy ones.
I think Cameron will be testing the waters on how far he can push this offense in the beginning of the year that will set the tone for the rest of the season.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 4:59 pm to JawjaTigah
I personally have serious doubts, especially how there is no Mett or Landry in third down situations. The underestimating might be how good they were on third down last season.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:01 pm to JJ27
A two loss team won't be in the top 4 very often
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:07 pm to TeLeFaWx
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There is a reasonable chance that LSU is fighting with Arkansas for the worst QB play in the division. LSU's run game is going to be good. Buga and all that... Still doesn't change the fact that poor QB play is going to be a major problem.
How can you even predict who will have the worst QB play right now? The probable starter for Bama isn't even enrolled at their school yet. Kentucky starts a freshman, A&M starts a freshman, UGA and Vandy have new starters with little experience.
The entire conference is a crap shoot with QBs this season.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 5:15 pm to tlsu15
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This team compares best to 2010 LSU.
That's dumb as hell. If anything, this team compares to the 2011 or 2012 team. These QBs can both throw the ball well. Our run game consisted of Ridley and JJ for the most part. Fournette and Magee alone will shatter what they did. Cam is not scared to toss the ball downfield and we have way better talent to throw to. Smith and Dural would be two of the three best receiver options on that 2010 team. Also, have you seen Quinn and Dupre's hands???
What points you to 2010 offense instead of 2011 or 2012? The passing game was weak in both of those offenses too and we relied on our run game and defense to win. Hell we passed the ball less in 2011 than we did in 2010 and we played one extra game.
Do you even know what the difference is between then and now? We have a QB guru, we have better QBs, we have better talent in the backfield and better talent at the receiver positions. Who cares if they drop some balls or the QB misfires? Mett threw the ball 352 times and only had 12 TDs. Landry and Beckham, plus the others, dropped passes at a pretty high clip and they were in the system the same amount of time as these guys are. We are going to average between 25 and 27 passes a game in 2014 and we have everything we need to be successful. Let em take their lumps like Mett did, like Beckham and Landry did.
I see a better version of 2009's pass offense with an actual run game.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 6:21 pm to Datbayoubengal
Woah woah woah!
First of all, I compared the offense to 2011 at the very beginning of my post. I think the offense will be a power run game/play action pass type of offense. I think the team as a WHOLE though will look like 2010, lots of close games where our defense will have to carry the load for the tougher parts of the schedule.
You don't know how successful either QB will be yet. You can have faith in both of them (I do too fwiw), but we just don't know what we'll get at this point. I think Cam plays to his teams strengths, which was a downfield passing attack to open up running lanes last year. This team's strengths are not the same as last year's. We are going to struggle to find consistent production at the second and third receiver spot. As a result, we will see more dump offs to tight ends and backs. Our YPA in the passing game will likely be much lower this year.
If Malichi or Quinn comes in ready to play immediately, we might see things start to shift. I think the trio of Diarse/Peterson/Leslie will look more like Wright & Boone then consistent producers though. They will have their opportunities and moments, but they just don't jump out as impact players to me at this point in time.
The comparison to the 2009 offense...I don't even know what to say to that. That was one of Les' worst running teams, this one will be much much better.
First of all, I compared the offense to 2011 at the very beginning of my post. I think the offense will be a power run game/play action pass type of offense. I think the team as a WHOLE though will look like 2010, lots of close games where our defense will have to carry the load for the tougher parts of the schedule.
You don't know how successful either QB will be yet. You can have faith in both of them (I do too fwiw), but we just don't know what we'll get at this point. I think Cam plays to his teams strengths, which was a downfield passing attack to open up running lanes last year. This team's strengths are not the same as last year's. We are going to struggle to find consistent production at the second and third receiver spot. As a result, we will see more dump offs to tight ends and backs. Our YPA in the passing game will likely be much lower this year.
If Malichi or Quinn comes in ready to play immediately, we might see things start to shift. I think the trio of Diarse/Peterson/Leslie will look more like Wright & Boone then consistent producers though. They will have their opportunities and moments, but they just don't jump out as impact players to me at this point in time.
The comparison to the 2009 offense...I don't even know what to say to that. That was one of Les' worst running teams, this one will be much much better.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 7:31 pm to TeLeFaWx
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There is a reasonable chance that LSU is fighting with Arkansas for the worst QB play in the division. LSU's run game is going to be good. Buga and all that... Still doesn't change the fact that poor QB play is going to be a major problem.
If you're trying to convince us that the 2014 LSU offense will be as bad as the 2013 TAMU defense, no sail.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 11:09 pm to tlsu15
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The comparison to the 2009 offense...I don't even know what to say to that. That was one of Les' worst running teams, this one will be much much better.
The 2009 passing game had nearly 2400 yards and 19 TDs to 8 ints with no running game to speak of and a horrible offensive line. If we can get that kind of play with an actual run game (say 2800-3000), that isn't much of a drop off in production from 2013 now is it?
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