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re: Only source of concern for Brian Kelly
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:42 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:42 pm to wadewilson
This program won National Titles IN SPITE of the massive short comings of Miles and Orgeron.
That should tell you all you need to know about what “could be” with an actual Coach.
That should tell you all you need to know about what “could be” with an actual Coach.
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:42 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
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Joe Burrow- 1 natty CBK- 0 lol
FIFY
If you honestly put Farmer Fred and Brian Kelly in the same stratosphere as a head coach, then there is no help for you.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:50 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
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miles and coach O). Those guys are way more accomplished than BK
You’re either trolling or stupid as a motherfricker.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:52 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
ND is a TV ratings jewel. They get paired with high visibility teams in post season. A factor.
Academics matter at ND. Guys without any business being in college are not on their roster. Double negative intended from this LSU grad to make a dubious point.
NFLSU culture took control of LSU lesser than performance in meaningless bowl games, forMiles and O
Academics matter at ND. Guys without any business being in college are not on their roster. Double negative intended from this LSU grad to make a dubious point.
NFLSU culture took control of LSU lesser than performance in meaningless bowl games, forMiles and O
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:52 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
19 posts too many
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:03 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
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I did a lot of research this morning on his postseason history at ND and this guy always comes up soft in big games. In his career he went 4-11 at ND against top 10 teams. You could say its because ND has bad players compared to LSU, but during that time he beat our player "talent" twice under two different national championship caliber coaches (L*s miles and coach O). Those guys are way more accomplished than BK so I'm not sure this is a slam dunk improvement so much as a lateral move or mild improvement. Against big names in the SECW I'm afraid I could easily see him pulling 3-4 losses per season. Of course this rebuild will take a few years, but one good thing is that BK will have a slightly easier OOC schedule at LSU as we fill our OOC schedule with FCS teams. This will inflate our wins total and at least look good. We know we can beat those guys with our eyes closed.
nice shiny hook trollmasta#1Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:12 pm to FATBOY TIGER
IMO, unless they are CFPlayoff bowls, bowl games are irrelevant as player motivation and opt outs cloud those results.
Brian Kelly did about as good at NDame as anyone could have done and far better than most.
Brian Kelly did about as good at NDame as anyone could have done and far better than most.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:18 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
After reading this i went through your posts and you have some terrible takes. This is another really bad one.
2. There is no way in hell Ed could be considered national championship caliber. Winning one when all the stars align is great, but when you start using enhancers like 'caliber' then you're going too far. Les Miles was national championship caliber, but at the same time, he had Louisiana talent, Florida talent, Texas talent, at an elite level. In all honesty, if he would have conformed to modern offenses, he would have been here until the allegations destroyed us (which is a huge bullet we dodged).
3. Again, BK brought ND back from the depths of mediocrity. All Miles did was maintain Saban's trajectory and Ed road Miles's gift of Aranda and got a lucky star in Burrow thanks to Aranda's boy Busch. BK also made Cincinnati relevant
Ed didn't give a shite and Les Miles was stubborn. That's why they went down in flames. Kelly has just been missing talent. LSU would be the 3rd most talented SEC team had TAMU not had that ridiculously paid mercenary squad recruiting class.
quote:i could see this as a concern, but at the same time, dude didn't have elite talent.
I did a lot of research this morning on his postseason history at ND and this guy always comes up soft in big games. In his career he went 4-11 at ND against top 10 teams
quote:1. Beating Les Miles and Ed O is not hard and neither time were the teams we had actually great.
You could say its because ND has bad players compared to LSU, but during that time he beat our player "talent" twice under two different national championship caliber coaches (L*s miles and coach O). Those guys are way more accomplished than BK so I'm not sure this is a slam dunk improvement so much as a lateral move or mild improvement
2. There is no way in hell Ed could be considered national championship caliber. Winning one when all the stars align is great, but when you start using enhancers like 'caliber' then you're going too far. Les Miles was national championship caliber, but at the same time, he had Louisiana talent, Florida talent, Texas talent, at an elite level. In all honesty, if he would have conformed to modern offenses, he would have been here until the allegations destroyed us (which is a huge bullet we dodged).
3. Again, BK brought ND back from the depths of mediocrity. All Miles did was maintain Saban's trajectory and Ed road Miles's gift of Aranda and got a lucky star in Burrow thanks to Aranda's boy Busch. BK also made Cincinnati relevant
quote:If he has Louisiana talent, i just don't see it. Kelly is fixing situations that have been screwing us for years now. The OL and TE positions will become a strength. The QBs have a dedicated QB coach so we have great evaluators for high school prospects, and these guys can actuallyget coached up. The S&C just got a modernization that better suits our players so we won't have the ridiculous injury problems like we had. His attention to detail is exactly what we've been lacking since Saban.
Against big names in the SECW I'm afraid I could easily see him pulling 3-4 losses per season.
Ed didn't give a shite and Les Miles was stubborn. That's why they went down in flames. Kelly has just been missing talent. LSU would be the 3rd most talented SEC team had TAMU not had that ridiculously paid mercenary squad recruiting class.
quote:Not really. This WR group will be all juniors next year with 2 years of starting experience, the OL will have a year of experience, the RB spot is loaded, and Walker Howard will take the reigns at QB. The DL will have to replace an end, but because of the 3-3-5 hybrid, we'll have multiple experienced guys who can play different positions. The LB group will likely be the most talented it has been since 2019. The only true problem in 2023 will be the CBs. I think 2023 can be a 10-11 win season.
Of course this rebuild will take a few years,
quote:LSU has never done this WTF? LSU will play FSU and Army in 2023 and USC and UCLA in 2024.
but one good thing is that BK will have a slightly easier OOC schedule at LSU as we fill our OOC schedule with FCS teams. This will inflate our wins total and at least look good.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:20 pm to Jmonsta2243
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He will surpass both O and Leslie's accomplishments at LSU in a short period of time.
Eh, He'll be a better coach but Les' accomplishments included two NC games with 1 victory as well as the best winning percentage of any coach who was here 3 or more years and I suspect he would have surpassed Macs win total had he finished out his contract. He was the second longest tenured coach (behind McClendon) and still had the highest winning percentage.
In terms of conference games winning percentage he is 4th using the same metric (3 or more seasons). Biff Jones, Bill Arnsparger, Nick Saban then Miles.
Not trying to pump Miles up, just saying it will take a while for Kelly to eclipse some of those benchmarks.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:29 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
BS on your so called deep research. I read that same article yesterday by a disgruntled ND writer. Stop trying to BS the site with this crap.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:48 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
Kelly’s past means nothing, good or bad. This is a new start. Let’s hope he gets off to a great start.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:41 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
You dumb frick
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:01 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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You can choose to look at it the way you are, where Miles and O have a NC and Kelly doesn't. It's completely idiotic, but it's still a factual statement.
OR
You can choose to look at it for what it actually is. Miles and O, both proven failed head coaches were still able to win a NC at LSU. So that means an actual good coach (Kelly) should be able to have plenty of success.
Technically Kelly has won two national championships. They are Division II national championships, but it's also a factual statement.
Not criticizing your post; it's on the money. Just adding on to point out how stupid the OP is. Unless he believes Les and Ed could've also won big at Grand Valley State.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 5:10 pm to StingleyJr4Heisman
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Those guys are way more accomplished than BK
Just because they both won one title each doesn’t mean they were more accomplished than BK. Would you consider Gene Chizik more accomplished and better than BK? I don’t think anyone would.
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