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re: The $10 million buyout number is extremely misleading...
Posted on 2/23/26 at 11:30 am to tarzana
Posted on 2/23/26 at 11:30 am to tarzana
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Why not invest that millions in more talented players at all positions, and maybe replace deadweight assistant coaches (like Taz) with known recruitment gurus?
Because it would be akin to refurbishing the entire car...and leaving the busted engine in place.
It's been 4 years, with countless players, multiple assistant coaches, and ONE constant....the head coach. The better question is what is the zeal by some (who I don't think actually believe their own BS) to identity and "fix" everything but the ACTUAL PROBLEM?
LSU has a bad HC. Everything else flows down from that. This isn't a particularly difficult concept to grasp (or, apparently it is for some)
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:00 pm to tarzana
So what you are proposing is getting rid of the guy that you know loves the school and the community. To keep the HC that has underachieved with nearly every roster he’s had here. If you have a guy who is doing a lot with little, then Sure, up the NIL. But if you have a guy that’s getting run over by less talented teams. throwing more money at it while cutting the soul of the program isn’t a fix. It’s a one way street to donor disengagement and continued mediocrity.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:00 pm to tarzana
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What is this zeal to go full negative and "get rid of", "eliminate", "fire"? There's so much animosity percolating in the LSU social media tents nowadays.
Why not invest that millions in more talented players at all positions, and maybe replace deadweight assistant coaches (like Taz) with known recruitment gurus?
It's not personal for me. He seems like a good guy and represents LSU with class, etc., but he is doing a really bad job as the head coach and it's a results business. He had one decent year when we finished with 9 SEC wins. In the other three years combined, he has a total of 7 SEC wins. That is beyond bad.
Also, LSU's brand of basketball is boring to go along with being bad. We don't press or do anything special to improve our status. The excitement is completely gone from the PMAC and there doesn't seem to be any hope for improvement after nearly 4 years. It's time for a change.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:05 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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Yeah, but MM is younger than BK and will get another job.
BK might want to slow down I suspect MM will want to continue coaching.
And Brian Kelly has generational money and kids out of the house. McMahon is a totally different situation. He'll need to work and has a lot of years left to do so.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:22 pm to LSUfan2008
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The $10 million buyout number is extremely misleading...
What's not misleading is the number that it will take to bring someone and their staff in AND the NIL commitment they will demand on top of what we pay for buyouts.
The SEC is incredibly competitive now in basketball, so you have to make a big hire with big NIL commitments. Who cares if we go from being 2-18 to being 8-12, or even 10-10. Do we or can we afford to pay twice as much in salary + NIL just to get field a team that is a 10 seed?
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:27 pm to barry
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The SEC is incredibly competitive now in basketball, so you have to make a big hire with big NIL commitments. Who cares if we go from being 2-18 to being 8-12, or even 10-10. Do we or can we afford to pay twice as much in salary + NIL just to get field a team that is a 10 seed?
Well a 10 seed is automatically better than not making the tournament for four years straight. You would at least have a seat at the table so yes, it would be worth it.
The current trajectory of the program simply cannot continue.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:28 pm to barry
quote:How interested are you getting into this conversion with me?
What's not misleading is the number that it will take to bring someone and their staff in AND the NIL commitment they will demand on top of what we pay for buyouts.
The SEC is incredibly competitive now in basketball, so you have to make a big hire with big NIL commitments. Who cares if we go from being 2-18 to being 8-12, or even 10-10. Do we or can we afford to pay twice as much in salary + NIL just to get field a team that is a 10 seed?
ETA: I see the online TD green. We can just talk. I'll listen.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:35 pm to Mats86
The LSU roster now isn't very good. When we had our full compliment of players (Dedan and Jalen) we were scoring 90+ points every game and beating the tar out of decent teams, like the two we demolished in Niceville to win that tourney. Will Wade even lost to Georgia Tech, a Niceville participant.
The current LSU roster is just a shell of what it was at the beginning of the season, yet the last three games, all against SEC first-division NCAA tournament teams, proved there's no quit in this LSU team. Each one of those was a game for 40 full minutes.
The current LSU roster is just a shell of what it was at the beginning of the season, yet the last three games, all against SEC first-division NCAA tournament teams, proved there's no quit in this LSU team. Each one of those was a game for 40 full minutes.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:43 pm to Circle K Beggar
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Woodward should be in jail.
McMahon is like a bottom two paid coach in the SEC. Woodward got bargain bin results for a bargain bin salary
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:44 pm to LuzianaFootball
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This without cause is bs. Isn't losing by 30 and not doing your job well for more than 2 years fireable "with cause"? It would be at any other company.
Being bad at your job is not a "for cause" fireable offense anywhere. Not in contract employment
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:51 pm to lsufball19
That’s because he’s lost too much. His salary is identical to Nate Oats first contract in the SEC but Oats was upped within 4 years because he wasn’t the worst coach in the SEC.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:54 pm to Madking
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His salary is identical to Nate Oats first contract in the SEC
and the two had pretty similar resumes when they were each hired. They both had made the NCAAT 3 of the previous 4 seasons and both had won 2 games in the NCAAT.
I never said the hire was a good one, but his salary was on par with what you'd expect for a coach with his resume at a mid-major. It was a low salary. The contract itself isn't the issue here. It was just a bad hire, obviously. But it's not like Woody paid above and beyond market rate when McMahon was hired. He paid market rate for a mid-major coach without a ton of experience and hoped it worked out. It worked out for Alabama, didn't work out for LSU obviously
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:56 pm to lsufball19
Nate Oats is just an example, the point is his entry salary was standard and the reason he’s a low end coach at this point is because he’s been awful
Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:58 pm to Madking
When have I argued he hasn't been awful? And we seem to agree that McMahon's entry level salary was standard. So what exactly are you arguing with? The only thing I've said is the contract itself isn't crazy. You seem to agree with that so what are we talking about here?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:03 pm to lsufball19
The length of the contract is the problem. My comment was about him being at the bottom of the pay scale in our league. It’s not because Woodward signed him on the cheap. He’s top 50 nationally in salary on his entry deal.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:05 pm to lsufball19
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McMahon is like a bottom two paid coach in the SEC. Woodward got bargain bin results for a bargain bin salary
He wasn't at the bottom of the SEC at the time he was hired. In fact, he wasn't even among the lowest paid HCs of the 6 new SEC HCs hired that cycle. However, market inflation because of success by other SEC coaches in the last 4 years AND other SEC programs replacing bad coaches with new coaches has pushed McMahon to the bottom. Are you suggesting McMahon has done anything in the last 4 years to earn a pay raise?
Maybe the ONLY saving grace in this 4 year waste of time is that McMahon never had an outlier really good year like Lamont Paris at South Carolina. He had a very good second year and leveraged it into a ~$2M (per year) raise and new 6 year deal. He quickly showed that one season was a big outlier as he's been just as bad as McMahon over the last two years. Now, SC is in a worse spot than LSU in that it would be very expensive to fire him.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:19 pm to Madking
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My comment was about him being at the bottom of the pay scale in our league. It’s not because Woodward signed him on the cheap.
he was towards the bottom of the league in pay scale when he was hired. He has stayed there because he hasn't won. Both are true
When he got the job, he was the 13th highest paid coach in the SEC. Below him were:
Dennis Gates - Missouri
Chris Jans - State
Lamont Paris - USC
Oddly enough, all 4 were hired the same season. 2/4, McMahon and Paris, likely won't have their jobs next year. Mid major coaches historically are boom or bust. They're cheap to hire but always a gamble
McMahon's buyout will be ~6 million come April 1. That's honestly nothing. I don't know why the media is making such a big deal about it. It will cost us more in revenue we're not getting every year to keep him. Most SEC mens basketball programs are profiting in the 10 million/year range. The last fiscal year, we only profited 2 million. I imagine it will look around the same or worse this year, That means we effectively are profiting 8 million less per year with McMahon than we should be. We could potentially make up the difference in one year with a better coach. Or we could continue to miss out on that money the longer he's here. It shouldn't be a tough choice to make. Looking at it from a bird's eye view, it should be a no brainer financially
Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:22 pm to LSUfan2008
The question that needs to be asked is how much money is the basketball team losing by sucking. I think more than the price of the buyout so basically its just a business decision at this point.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:17 pm to LSU Tiger Eyes
"Coach Resignation: If McMahon were to leave voluntarily for another position before June 30, 2026, he would owe LSU $2 million in liquidated damages."
VERGE, tell him to keep the change. DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE A$$ on the way out McLose-A-Lot
VERGE, tell him to keep the change. DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE A$$ on the way out McLose-A-Lot
Posted on 2/23/26 at 3:51 pm to lsufball19
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Mid major coaches historically are boom or bust. They're cheap to hire but always a gamble
That's true. But major conf. to major conf. poaching doesn't happen all that frequently in basketball. Just look at the current top 25. There aren't a lot HCs on that list who left one power conf program for another. It's just Illinois, Kansas and Arkansas. Even Arkansas is a little bit skewed because Kentucky was happy someone took Cal from them.
Outside of the possibility of Wade, it is highly likely LSU's next HC would come from the mid-major ranks....and that's not "going cheap". It would be dumb to overpay market value for a mid-major coach.
Of course, you have to assess the market to see if you can grab a more proven HC and at what cost. But the mindset of hiring a mid-major HC = going cheap and not caring is inaccurate. Maryland poached Buzz Williams from A&M at a pretty significant cost. Maryland is terrible this season while A&M, with a much cheaper HC from a mid-major school is on pace to make the NCAA Tournament.
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