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re: UNC & Clemson may join SEC - LSU related
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:12 am to Domeskeller
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:12 am to Domeskeller
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LSU football is a much bigger brand than UCLA. Why the frick did LSU go there first? The reason it matters is in case the other school gets panicky and delays the return visit or cancels the return game. Virginia Tech pushed its return to LSU from 2004 to 2007 because it didn't want to get stuck with 6 home games in 2004. So defending national champion LSU was left trying to find an opponent for its opener less than year before it was supposed to happen.
Virginia Tech game moved from 2004 to 2007
What happens if Clemson all of a sudden gets a blockbuster financial offer to open next season against someone else at home or at neutral site? It would drop LSU like a bad habit and leave LSU to deal with the fallout.
That's why you negotiate to get the first game of the home series.
And I could go further into 2021 and 2022 where LSU got outfoxed and played openers against teams who played Week 0 games, but I'll quit while I'm ahead.
Then they should include a clause in the contract with massive penalties for delaying or canceling games. Sounds like a Woodward problem.
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:16 am to Domeskeller
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I told you: Play good opponents, but don't play them in Week 1, and negotiate to get the first home game of a series. And quit playing neutral-site games.
So in your opinion LSU should never play a game unless all of those stipulations are met? Because other big time schools are doing all of the same things. So if LSU is doing it all wrong, so are a bunch of other schools.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:17 am to Domeskeller
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LSU football is a much bigger brand than UCLA. Why the frick did LSU go there first?
The UCLA series was scheduled in 2014. They were a top 15 program.
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The reason it matters is in case the other school gets panicky and delays the return visit or cancels the return game.
LSU actually moved the return game to allow for the USC matchup.
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What happens if Clemson all of a sudden gets a blockbuster financial offer to open next season against someone else at home or at neutral site? It would drop LSU like a bad habit and leave LSU to deal with the fallout.
LSU would get paid for breach of contract and schedule a G5 team - which in this era isn't the worst thing in the world.
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That's why you negotiate to get the first game of the home series.
There's so much that goes into these matchups. Goes beyond just who has an open schedule. You're working with TV contracts, your other planned opponents, travel, and financial guarantees.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:20 am to LSBoosie
Depends. Who negotiates the terms of the contract? Not sure it's totally Verge, but I'm sure he has some input on that as executive deputy AD who's the sport administrator of football and men's basketball. You gonna absolve him on that one, too, but give him all of the credit when LSU (smartly, by the way) played at Texas in Week 2 (not Week 1, rare good job by LSU in scheduling) in 2019? You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:21 am to Domeskeller
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but I'm sure he has some input on that as executive deputy AD who's the sport administrator of football and men's basketball.
He's neither. But continue to act like you have all the answers.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:30 am to CapitalTiger
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The UCLA series was scheduled in 2014. They were a top 15 program.
Great. LSU has won 3 national championships this century. UCLA is a basketball school. LSU football > UCLA football.
As for moving the UCLA game, then that's on LSU for chasing the money instead of scheduling smartly. Glad you got a huge paycheck to lose in New Orleans to Florida State. Glad you got a huge paycheck to lose in Orlando to Florida State. Glad you got a huge paycheck to lose to USC in Las Vegas.
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LSU would get paid for breach of contract and schedule a G5 team - which in this era isn't the worst thing in the world.
For a Week 1 game and from the standpoint of scheduling so that you might actually win a championship, it would the luckiest thing to happen to LSU in years.
My joke aside, you have to be trolling. You also must not buy tickets.
Verge Ausberry's bio on lsusports.net
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A former LSU football standout, Verge Ausberry was promoted in July 2019 to the position of Executive Deputy Director of Athletics and Executive Director of External Relations for the University. In his Executive Deputy AD role, Ausberry is responsible for formalized planning and processes for the athletic department and daily operations.
In addition, he also serves as the sport administrator for the football and men’s basketball programs and departmental liaison for the Tiger Athletic Foundation, multi-media rights holder LSU Sports Properties and the Cox Communications Academic Center for Student-Athletes.
If you have all the answers, then you need to get someone to update that bio on the LSU athletics website because it would thusly be outdated.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:31 am to Draco Malfoy
Verg is bullet proof. He has a family member / s way up inside N.O.'s Democratic political machine, members who have strong ( i.e. money ) ties to LSU's BOS & past & present Governors' tables. WAY up inside.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:32 am to Domeskeller
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you have to be trolling. You also must not buy tickets.
I’m not. I have 6 season tickets and have been to every game mentioned.
And verge’s bio is not updated. Kelli Zinn has been Football admin since she arrived and Matthew LaBorde is MBB admin.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:34 am to CapitalTiger
Like I said, not a huge surprise.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:39 am to Domeskeller
Man I don’t have all the answers. I’m just sharing additional context to your utopian idea that LSU can just waltz into any conversation with Disney/ESPN and other Power 5 programs and demand everything they want without consideration for a host of other factors.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:50 am to CapitalTiger
Fair enough. I agree it's not easy. But my point is that LSU seems to be on the wrong end of this routinely. That's all I'm trying to say.
I don't have all of the answers, either. I just would like to see LSU being on the right end of more of these instead of the occasional "yay, we played at Texas in Week 2 instead of Week 1 6 years ago, yay, we got Florida State to come to our "neutral" site first, in Week 1. A Week 1 game at Clemson is just not a good way to open the season when you have essentially a brand new offensive line. Doesn't mean they can't win, just makes it harder. And it wasn't a good way to break in a new QB in 2022 (with a new head coach) or 2024, either, playing a quality opponent in Week 1. I realize LSU doesn't have total control, but, geez, five years in a row away from home for the opener is a lot. I'm glad Clemson comes here next year and Week 1 is at home. I just wish it was in Week 2.
And I'm not asking for anyone to get fired. As I said earlier, I didn't mention Verge's name in any of this until I was accused (wrongly) of criticizing Verge specifically. I know how big decisions and how macro philosophies, especially around financials, at big companies work. It's rarely just one person, and there are many stakeholders to consider, hear out and, occasionally, appease. And LSU is a big company. So I get it.
I don't have all of the answers, either. I just would like to see LSU being on the right end of more of these instead of the occasional "yay, we played at Texas in Week 2 instead of Week 1 6 years ago, yay, we got Florida State to come to our "neutral" site first, in Week 1. A Week 1 game at Clemson is just not a good way to open the season when you have essentially a brand new offensive line. Doesn't mean they can't win, just makes it harder. And it wasn't a good way to break in a new QB in 2022 (with a new head coach) or 2024, either, playing a quality opponent in Week 1. I realize LSU doesn't have total control, but, geez, five years in a row away from home for the opener is a lot. I'm glad Clemson comes here next year and Week 1 is at home. I just wish it was in Week 2.
And I'm not asking for anyone to get fired. As I said earlier, I didn't mention Verge's name in any of this until I was accused (wrongly) of criticizing Verge specifically. I know how big decisions and how macro philosophies, especially around financials, at big companies work. It's rarely just one person, and there are many stakeholders to consider, hear out and, occasionally, appease. And LSU is a big company. So I get it.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:52 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:51 am to Domeskeller
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Depends. Who negotiates the terms of the contract? Not sure it's totally Verge, but I'm sure he has some input on that as executive deputy AD who's the sport administrator of football and men's basketball. You gonna absolve him on that one, too, but give him all of the credit when LSU (smartly, by the way) played at Texas in Week 2 (not Week 1, rare good job by LSU in scheduling) in 2019? You can't have it both ways.
I would bet Verge and Woodward are both involved in those negotiations. And I bet Woodward has final say, or at least he should. I don't know what all Verge's job entails, I'm sure it's a lot. And I'm not saying he's perfect. But I don't have some huge problem with him, wanting him to be fired like Draco does.
At the end of the day, I'm assuming you have a problem with the opening games from 2021-2024. In those games, we have lost to a 8-4 team at a neutral site, a 10-3 team at a neutral site, a 13-1 team at a neutral site, a 7-6 team at a neutral site. I don't like it either, but I'm more pissed that the team isn't good enough to win those games rather than pissed at the guy who scheduled them. I also just don't care which team travels first because I'm not anticipating cancelations. If you have a problem with those being neutral site game, I can understand that. But I think there are many more people involved in that other than Verge.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 11:54 am to LSBoosie
Keep in mind. All of these games discussed, except for LSU vs. USC last year in Vegas, were scheduled before Woodward.
The original plan for 2019 - 2024 was:
2019: Week 2 at Texas
2020: Week 2 vs. Texas
2021: Week 1 at UCLA
2022: Week 1 vs. FSU in NOLA
2023: Week 1 vs. FSU in Orlando
2024: Week 1 vs. UCLA
In that scenario, you're playing 2 true road games to start the season.
The USC game in Vegas was added in 2021 when LSU was coming out of COVID losses and presumably got paid a substantial amount to add this game.
The original plan for 2019 - 2024 was:
2019: Week 2 at Texas
2020: Week 2 vs. Texas
2021: Week 1 at UCLA
2022: Week 1 vs. FSU in NOLA
2023: Week 1 vs. FSU in Orlando
2024: Week 1 vs. UCLA
In that scenario, you're playing 2 true road games to start the season.
The USC game in Vegas was added in 2021 when LSU was coming out of COVID losses and presumably got paid a substantial amount to add this game.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:12 pm to CapitalTiger
Good point. So in a 6 year time period, we would have played 3 home games, 1 road game, and 2 neutral site games in Week 1.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:29 pm to Draco Malfoy
Hell no. The SEC is already too big.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:50 pm to Draco Malfoy
If it’s truly a Southeastern Conference get rid of schools not in southeast; Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky before adding North Carolina. That would set at 13 schools.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 1:53 pm to brewhan davey
Africkingmen!
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:43 pm to chrome_daddy
Clemson would be my preferred university to be in the SEC simply because their fans are passionate about football. I think they will be a middle of the pack team year in and out like Texas A&M if they ever join the SEC. Look at their overall record against the top teams in our conference. Clemson will be humbled after playing multiple back to back weeks against top tier SEC teams in football.
Geaux fighting tigers
Geaux fighting tigers
Posted on 7/25/25 at 10:51 pm to Draco Malfoy
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LSU related because watch Clemson join and not have to play in Baton Rouge next year as our OOC.
Even if it does, it won’t until 2030’s. Too much money to get out of until then.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 6:02 am to LSUbasketballfan
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Why? Clemson is really good at football and had been good in basketball lately. UVA and Va Tech suck at both
yeah,I'll vote to pass on more elite football schools coming to the sec,shits hard enough as it is
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