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re: What's wrong with co-offensive coordinators?
Posted on 12/26/23 at 5:33 pm to lsufanva
Posted on 12/26/23 at 5:33 pm to lsufanva
quote:First of let me say that Brady only designed some of the passing game. Also, designing the plays can be the job of multiple coaches, potentially even the analysts who do not coach on game day, calling them is the job of the coordinator. What you described is Ensminger being the Offensive Coordinator.
Brady designed, Ensminger called. About as Co as you can get.
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 5:41 pm to mdomingue
Right.
Posters acting like they know exactly what went on in every jam session every call. Until I hear from those in the room I'm going with who LSU had listed as OC. Not Fred from Pasadena.
Posters acting like they know exactly what went on in every jam session every call. Until I hear from those in the room I'm going with who LSU had listed as OC. Not Fred from Pasadena.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 5:47 pm to ramchallenge
Is Hankton related to Telly Hankton? Did JBE pardon Telly?
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:53 pm to ramchallenge
LSU needs to make Sloan the OC. It would be a crime to lose Sloan, the QB coach that helped develop JD5 and is Nuss' only QB coach. If he isn't the new OC then we probably lose him either this year or soon. He is as good as Denbrock and a solid QB coach. Hankton can take remain with receivers.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:22 am to QB
Co anything I've been around in work situations led to jealousy, egos, basically the human condition. I love Sloan and Hankton and don't have a problem with either. I think we need a home run hire, no matter who that may be.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:49 am to ramchallenge
Everything
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:11 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Someone has to call the plays and everyone knows that person is the actual OC
That’s just not true. Usually t is the case, but the true and best contribution of an OC isn’t play calling; it’s preparation. The person who manages the team of offensive coaches in preparation and game-day roles is the OC. That person usually does the play calling but not always.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:21 am to StevieG504
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Esminger and Brady did just fine
Brady was under Ensminger despite the narrative that people love to push that Brady was the only reason for the success.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:03 am to mdomingue
quote:Ensminger was the OC in 2018 and had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, Helaire, and most (if not all) of the OL. And our 2018 offense was pedestrian.
What you described is Ensminger being the Offensive Coordinator.
Brady comes in in 2019 and the offense explodes.
Now you can claim Ensminger was the OC and ran that offense, but the clear data of 2018-19 tells a different story.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:04 am to ramchallenge
Same thing that is wrong with special teams with multiple coaches in charge.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:15 am to atltiger6487
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Ensminger was the OC in 2018 and had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, Helaire, and most (if not all) of the OL. And our 2018 offense was pedestrian.
Brady comes in in 2019 and the offense explodes.
Now you can claim Ensminger was the OC and ran that offense, but the clear data of 2018-19 tells a different story.
So who came in and changed the offense from 2022 to 2023?
Do you think maybe a year in the system helped the production? Just because a coach adds something to a team does not mean he is the coordinator, it could be he does something like add some drills that help cut down on things like dropped passes.
Sorry, you're so invested in Brady being the main reason for the 2019 offense you can't admit when you are wrong about him being the OC.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:18 am to atltiger6487
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Now you can claim Ensminger was the OC and ran that offense, but the clear data of 2018-19 tells a different story.
And if there was a final override on a play call, who made that call?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:35 am to Penrod
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That’s just not true. Usually t is the case, but the true and best contribution of an OC isn’t play calling; it’s preparation. The person who manages the team of offensive coaches in preparation and game-day roles is the OC. That person usually does the play calling but not always.
If you're not calling plays then you're a glorified administrative assistant.
You have never once heard anyone say "He's a great OC, he's just not good at calling plays."
Yes, the other stuff you mentioned is part of it but calling plays that lead to success in the game is what makes or breaks an OC and what they are judged by. If you aren't calling the plays then you really aren't the OC.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:39 am to ramchallenge
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What's wrong with co-offensive coordinators?
Nothing if the head coach handles it properly and everyone has well defined roles. People on here will bring up the fiasco that was Mallveto, but there are plenty of examples where it has been successful.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:55 am to lsutigertalk
How have teams like TCU done it so effectively in the recent past?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:01 am to jfw3535
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If more than one person is in charge, then no one is in charge.
Brian kelly is in charge.
one guy gets play calling duties. responsibilities are clearly delineated.
it can and has worked before.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:07 am to turnpiketiger
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Brady was under Ensminger despite the narrative that people love to push that Brady was the only reason for the success.
Certainly not the ONLY reason. But one guy is no longer a coach and the other is about to be promoted to full-time OC of the Buffalo Bills. We don't make that leap from 2018 to 2019 without him.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:14 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Someone has to call the plays and eberyone knows that person is the actual OC. There is nothing wrong if one guy is older and more established that other co-OC is younger and up and coming. But if both are young up and comers like Sloan and Hankton, they won't want to take a back seat to the other.
Yeah, I hope lsu doesn't lose one in this process.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:14 am to mdomingue
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Went down a short rabbit hole. Sice the advent of the CFP here are the teams that have won with a co-coordinator listed on either side of the ball. I was surprised to find that only two teams do not have one listed, 2015 Alabama and 2019 LSU
2014 Ohio State Co-OC & Co-DC
2016 Clemson Co-OC
2017 Alabama Co-OC & Co-DC
2018 Clemson Co-OC
2020 Alabama Co-DC
2021 Georgia Co-DC
2022 Georgia Co-DC
Heck of a post that has been largely ignored
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