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re: One thing I never got about Star Wars...
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:51 pm to Tacktheritrix
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:51 pm to Tacktheritrix
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He really doesn't get confirmation that Luke is his son until Boba Fett comes and tells him the pilot he's searching for has the last name "Skywalker"
is that what happens? It has been so long since i’ve seen the OT.
I really don’t believe George Lucas when he pretends he had the whole OT planned out.
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Posted on 4/8/25 at 3:18 am to Tacktheritrix
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He really doesn't get confirmation that Luke is his son until Boba Fett comes and tells him the pilot he's searching for has the last name "Skywalker"
I thought there was a moment in there where Palpatine says something along the lines of this Jedi is the son of Skywalker and Vader asks "how's that possible"?
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:56 am to TigerGman
Also, why the frick did they change the music in the Return of the Jedi at the end when the Ewoks were celebrating the victory?
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:33 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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TBO, Poe Dameron from TFA was the sort of character that I had in mind for a young Anakin Skywalker. Confident, a bit brash, but also with a quiet reserve about him.. not the bratty pouty BS that George had Hayden Chritensen portray on screen. A skilled pilot who get a bit too over confident, then Palpatine uses that to his advantage and nudges him, bit by bit, in a direction that leads to his ultimate downfall.
I've had it rolling around in the back of my head for a long time to rewrite the prequel trilogy in a way that actually makes, you know, sense. The main driver behind Anakin's turn to the Dark Side wouldn't be some ephemeral fear about Padme that he had because of a bad dream, followed by a shrug of his shoulders and an, "Oh well, I guess I'm evil now." To become something like Vader you need more motivation than that.
1. First of all, Anakin in The Phantom Menace needs to be at the very youngest in his late teens, which is clearly how the character was written. If he's going to be "too old to begin the training," then make him actually too old to begin the fricking training. It's like Lucas wrote the character that way, then decided that he needed to cast a six-year-old for marketing purposes, but did not go back and rewrite the script at all to account for this change. Everything - Anakin having found the time and learned the skills to build both a podracer and C-3P0, him being a skilled pilot, and him hitting on a twenty-something Padme who clearly reciprocates interest - only makes sense if he is older. And that then leads into the first and most basic motivation for Anakin's shift to the Dark Side, which is that "he is too old to begin the training" is not just some throwaway line. He really is too old, and too set in his ways, to be able to start over as a Jedi. He has grown up as a slave, and so the dynamics he understands and has internalized are master/slave and powerful/powerless, not some sort of cosmic good/evil. His training requires him to forget all of that, but he struggles to do so.
2. Due to this background Anakin doesn't really buy in to the whole "we provide wise counsel and defense to those who ask for it, but we don't force anyone to do anything" angle of the Jedi. In his worldview those who have power use it, and those who don't get pushed around. Now that he has learned that he has this incredible power within him, why would it be wrong for him to use it to make the world a better place regardless of how others might feel about it? It's for their own good, after all. To his point of view, all the time that the Jedi spend in endless council meetings and their ceasless droning about the will of the Force and the dangers of emotion and the Dark Side are just a bunch of hot air, and he seethes with impatience as the war with the Trade Federation develops and no one seems to be doing anything about it. Why are they not fighting? Why are they just standing around talking? They have the power to end the war - why don't they?
3. And that's how Palpatine ensares him. He can obviously sense Anakin's power, and so he requests that he be assigned to the Chancellor's office as Palpatine's liaison with the Jedi Council. Once this has been done, Palpatine begins to seemingly open himself up to Anakin in times when there is no one else to hear him, and he complains about the intransigence of the Senate and how it refuses to go along with actions that he knows will help to win the war, instead wanting to waste time talking about their rights and privileges and freedoms. What good are any of those things if the Republic loses? Palpatine also allows Anakin to observe that, unlike the Jedi, he relishes the power of emotion, especially strong ones like anger and hatred. The Jedi teach that these emotions are bad in and of themselves, but Palpatine argues that they can be good, as long as they are channeled in the right direction, because they grant you power to achieve your goals. And as long as what you stand for and are striving to achieve is right, then anyone trying to stop you from achieving it may - no, must - be forced to comply. This of course is the way Anakin has secretly felt all along, and he falls under Palpatine's spell. To his point of view Palpatine's ultimate aim to subvert the Senate and set himself up as dictator/Emperor isn't just a power grab, it's an effort to take a system that is failing and correct it so that it can be strong and enduring once again. If the Jedi choose to stand in the way of that, well, then they must be forced to comply - and if they refuse, then they've proven themselves enemies of the greater good and will be dealt with accordingly.
That's the skeleton of it, anyway. To me that is a much more believable motivation than the "'I want to save my wife! How can I do that?' 'Well, step number one is murdering a classroom full of children.' 'Ok!'" version we were given on screen.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:36 am to AuburnTigers
quote:Because George couldn’t leave well enough alone. I think South Park made an episode about this.
Also, why the frick did they change the music in the Return of the Jedi at the end when the Ewoks were celebrating the victory?
And to above poster, it was not all planned out. He had ideas, but not an entire story fleshed out. Luke was supposed to have a sister, but it wasn’t Leia. That was written in for ROTJ.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:41 am to TheTideMustRoll
If Anakin was too old, sure as hell so was Luke.
And forget Leia! She wasn’t a Jedi but still.. early to mid 20’s before she began to tap into her Force abilities?
But ok. Give her some time and eventually she can Mary Poppins herself back after being blown up, out & into the cold vacuum of space. FFS.
And forget Leia! She wasn’t a Jedi but still.. early to mid 20’s before she began to tap into her Force abilities?
But ok. Give her some time and eventually she can Mary Poppins herself back after being blown up, out & into the cold vacuum of space. FFS.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:45 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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If Anakin was too old, sure as hell so was Luke.
Oh, no doubt. But to me that sets up an interesting angle of Luke having to try and do something (finish Jedi training despite starting at a later age) that his father had tried before him and ultimately failed at. That adds another layer of retrospective depth to the story.
Edited to fix mangled sentence structure.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:35 pm to TigerGman
it works in organized religion - do bad shite, repent and all is forgiven.....
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:42 pm to MasterKnight
And get off my back. I'm going to need you to get all the way off.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 7:22 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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I've had it rolling around in the back of my head for a long time to rewrite the prequel trilogy in a way that actually makes, you know, sense
Superb.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:09 am to Tacktheritrix
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How I see it he only committed a small war crime
Tell that to the seven year olds he hacked to death with his light saber,
Posted on 4/10/25 at 7:39 pm to TigerGman
I never understood how the series survived Jar Jar Bing, who would have killed most things he touched.
Posted on 4/10/25 at 10:39 pm to TigerGman
Because he is Darth Vader and Darth Vader gets a redemption arc. Hence why they show Anakin in Ghost Form now. Because its when Darth Vader was good and innocent. Plus, he really hates sand.
Posted on 4/11/25 at 12:29 am to TigerGman
quote:he didn't.
Why does he deserve redemption
But Luke believing in him was enough for him to rise up, do what he should have done with mace and destroy a larger evil.
He redeemed himself to Luke, and that was all that mattered to him.
This post was edited on 4/11/25 at 12:32 am
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