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re: Why has Marvel made Hulk so pathetic over time?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
At this point why not just Ruffalo as Banner and not some super small version of Hulk 
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 7:55 am to etm512
I think most didn’t care for the off screen ‘fix’ of Banner & Hulk coming together with their agreement & understanding. That would have been interesting to see. And his inhibitor bracelet… where the hell did that come from? I’m no marvel scholar or gate keeper, but that’s ridiculous. It undercuts everything about the Banner/Hulk symbiosis.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
Smart Hulk is an entirely different character from previous versions. The best explanation I’ve seen is to think of Banner/Hulk sort of like Moon Knight where he has multiple personality disorder with Banner and “the other guy” i.e. original Hulk being aware of but distinctly different from one another. He learned to control that to basically be Banner in Hulk form over time to keep the character fresh and prevent what happened in Age of Ultron or Ragnarok to occur again.
By no means do I think that lasts though, only so long as the story is served. I’m expecting full on rampaging Hulk (and possibly other versions) in a World War Hulk adaptation in the next few years. I’d love to see the Maestro appear at some point, which seems likely with multiverse shenanigans.
By no means do I think that lasts though, only so long as the story is served. I’m expecting full on rampaging Hulk (and possibly other versions) in a World War Hulk adaptation in the next few years. I’d love to see the Maestro appear at some point, which seems likely with multiverse shenanigans.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:56 am to GeauxTigerTM
He never recovered after Thanos whooped his arse.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:01 am to etm512
can we take all marvel talk to the soccer board or texags?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:07 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:It's like reading Fantastic Four and suddenly She-Hulk has replaced The Thing, and you're told you'll have to buy the Secret Wars series to find out how that happened but, in this case, there is no Secret Wars series.
I think most didn’t care for the off screen ‘fix’ of Banner & Hulk coming together with their agreement & understanding. That would have been interesting to see. And his inhibitor bracelet… where the hell did that come from? I’m no marvel scholar or gate keeper, but that’s ridiculous. It undercuts everything about the Banner/Hulk symbiosis.
A Disney+ series centered around the Hulk/Rampaging/Smart transition would be a great idea, but I don't think we'll see any solo Hulk projects from Marvel/Disney.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:24 am to Midget Death Squad
yeah IW Banner was pretty bad
-the kneeling thing
-getting out smarted by Shuri
-tripping in the hulk buster armor
-the awkward "ah ha now you're all screwed" when Thor arrived
-the kneeling thing
-getting out smarted by Shuri
-tripping in the hulk buster armor
-the awkward "ah ha now you're all screwed" when Thor arrived
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:50 am to BilJ
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yeah IW Banner was pretty bad
-the kneeling thing
-getting out smarted by Shuri
-tripping in the hulk buster armor
-the awkward "ah ha now you're all screwed" when Thor arrived
It really was. They have undermined his character, not only from who he is in the comics but also from who they established him to be in the MCU. He went from genius, calculating Banner to Jerry Lewis Banner. MCU can EAD
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:05 am to CP3forMVP
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It’s beyond obvious what they’re setting up
Literally the only way they do this is if Ruffalo decides he's out and they want to kill off the character and that's ends up being the "why."
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:10 am to CBandits82
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He never recovered after Thanos whooped his arse.
That always bothered me. Not saying Hulk should have won that fight, but no way should it have been such a one-sided beat down.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:15 am to Mickey Goldmill
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but no way should it have been such a one-sided beat down.
I tend to agree, but even accepting the beat down there is ZERO CHANCE that Hulk is a scared little bitch following it. He's a force of nature fueled by rage; this was the dumbest thing that happened in InfWar.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 11:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Literally the only way they do this is if Ruffalo decides he's out and they want to kill off the character and that's ends up being the "why."
I don't follow. What do you think they're setting up?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That always bothered me. Not saying Hulk should have won that fight, but no way should it have been such a one-sided beat down.
I’d even be fine with the one sided beat down. My biggest grievance in the entire franchise is how he was too much of a twat to show his face afterwards.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:12 pm to CP3forMVP
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What do you think they're setting up?
With Hulk? Not a damned thing. I don't think there is any over arching storyline there we're just not privy to. I think this is simply where they have settled into with Hulk.
I think Mark Ruffalo is not a fan of rage Hulk, because he has no part of that character. It's just some animated thing slightly using his likeness. I'm not sure his ego can handle not being seen, and if he's Professor Hulk he gets the best of both worlds. He gets to BE Hulk and also Mark Ruffalo. So, like Pedro Pascal who insisted on taking off his helmet so we could see his face in Mandolorian. Think the opposite of a guy like Karl Urban who never took his helmet off in Dredd.
I also think his VERY vocal politics lean towards being fine having his character neutered like this.
I just suggested that if Hulk ever does go Rage again, it'll be setting up some story which will ultimately be the reason he needs to be killed off. Hulk going Rage will not be seen as a good thing, or even a necessary but dangerous thing. Angry Hulk not wearing sweaters and doing Yoga will have to be eliminated from current MCU.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:15 pm to CP3forMVP
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I don't follow. What do you think they're setting up?
World War Hulk according to people who know more than I do about She-Hulk and whats next
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:20 pm to TrussvilleTide
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World War Hulk
i hope so
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:22 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:32 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Not saying Hulk should have won that fight, but no way should it have been such a one-sided beat down.
It's pretty canon from the comics. Hulk has never beaten Thanos mano e mano.
Hulk's strength is fueled by rage regardless of which personality is in control, thus...
Potentially he could defeat Thanos, if the fight went on long enough for him to be angry enough. Thanos is strong enough to beat him before he reaches that point, so he does. That's just good "strategery".
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:48 pm to GeauxTigerTM
As others have said, I think part of this is Ruffalo's desire to not play a rampaging machine of angry destruction.
I also can't help but wonder if they aren't angling for a World War Hulk event. There were points in She-Hulk where it seemed like he was on the verge of losing his temper and going savage, but then he controlled it (the meditation?). Still, there was a tell or two there (like the pettiness of throwing the rock into outer space, someone truly as Zen as he claims to be wouldn't have needed to do that regardless of how assholish the other person was being).
IF they are doing this, it would make for a really good (and long) story arc. He goes from traditional "danger to anything and everything around him" Hulk (Avengers) to somewhat of a wild dog whose learned some domestication (Age of Ultron), to a controlled attack dog (Ragnarök), to scared child hiding in the closet (IW & Endgame), to "melded" personality (current version).
What could then be happening is that Hulk's beating at the hands of Thanos caused the two personalities to come to an agreement where Banner can have control all the time while the Hulk personality hides. Time heals all wounds though so (if this theory holds) it would be only a matter of time before Hulk wanted to go back to at least the original rules. As Banner has had lots of time to develop mental strength, this then would be a change needing an external factor which causes Banner to mentally "slip" or even just give up and let the beast free once again.
This would bring Banner/Hulk full circle with Bruce having to start his journey all over again from the very beginning. It would be very Sisyphean.
What sort of mental toll would that take? Would he even want to?
I also can't help but wonder if they aren't angling for a World War Hulk event. There were points in She-Hulk where it seemed like he was on the verge of losing his temper and going savage, but then he controlled it (the meditation?). Still, there was a tell or two there (like the pettiness of throwing the rock into outer space, someone truly as Zen as he claims to be wouldn't have needed to do that regardless of how assholish the other person was being).
IF they are doing this, it would make for a really good (and long) story arc. He goes from traditional "danger to anything and everything around him" Hulk (Avengers) to somewhat of a wild dog whose learned some domestication (Age of Ultron), to a controlled attack dog (Ragnarök), to scared child hiding in the closet (IW & Endgame), to "melded" personality (current version).
What could then be happening is that Hulk's beating at the hands of Thanos caused the two personalities to come to an agreement where Banner can have control all the time while the Hulk personality hides. Time heals all wounds though so (if this theory holds) it would be only a matter of time before Hulk wanted to go back to at least the original rules. As Banner has had lots of time to develop mental strength, this then would be a change needing an external factor which causes Banner to mentally "slip" or even just give up and let the beast free once again.
This would bring Banner/Hulk full circle with Bruce having to start his journey all over again from the very beginning. It would be very Sisyphean.
What sort of mental toll would that take? Would he even want to?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Norton was a much better Banner.
Avengers Hulk was the best Hulk. In the beginning everyone was scared that he would turn into the Hulk. Now he is like a green Labrador.
Avengers Hulk was the best Hulk. In the beginning everyone was scared that he would turn into the Hulk. Now he is like a green Labrador.
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