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re: 2021 Lakers Thread
Posted on 5/19/22 at 9:49 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 5/19/22 at 9:49 pm to brmark70816
They don't want to get rid of Westbrook .. the Lakers' best option is to say "there's no way Lebron and AD both break down for that many games again next year"
We know better about AD, but it's probably the best shot LA has
We know better about AD, but it's probably the best shot LA has
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Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:18 pm to brmark70816
Stretching him means a $15m hit for three seasons on the cap.
IOW, no way to really replace him this season and you are still paying for him for years afterward.
The Lakers got burned by stretching Luol Deng so they would probably just let Westbrick expire or buy him out for this season rather than take a huge multi season hit.
IOW, no way to really replace him this season and you are still paying for him for years afterward.
The Lakers got burned by stretching Luol Deng so they would probably just let Westbrick expire or buy him out for this season rather than take a huge multi season hit.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:21 pm to jmcwhrter
The Lakers need to have supporting pieces capable of working with LeBron and AD.
As of now, none of the pieces they have are particularly complimentary.
They need a defensive five because Mr Glass won’t play the five and they need outside shooters to help space for LeBron.
Theoretically a five is possible but they aren’t the destination for ring chasers they used to be.
Three and D guys? They make more than the league minimum which prices them out of what the team can or will pay.
As of now, none of the pieces they have are particularly complimentary.
They need a defensive five because Mr Glass won’t play the five and they need outside shooters to help space for LeBron.
Theoretically a five is possible but they aren’t the destination for ring chasers they used to be.
Three and D guys? They make more than the league minimum which prices them out of what the team can or will pay.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:32 am to teke184
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Stretching him means a $15m hit for three seasons on the cap.
Yeah. That's what I think they should do. If they want to get out of the tax and reign in costs. Plus subtly start rebuilding the roster.
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no way to really replace him this season and you are still paying for him for years afterward.
Yes, for 3 years. It will be a nuisance. But it's better than taking on other bad contracts of players that aren't good fits either.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:03 am to brmark70816
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Plus subtly start rebuilding the roster.
Stretching wouldn't allow this either.
They went all in and they lost.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:16 am to jmcwhrter
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They don't want to get rid of Westbrook .. the Lakers' best option is to say "there's no way Lebron and AD both break down for that many games again next year" We know better about AD, but it's probably the best shot LA has
Lebron is 37. Obviously he is a physical freak and all indications are he is big into taking care of his body but father time is undefeated. This IS NOT Tom Brady playing into his 40’s. The level of athleticism needed by Lebron to compete with the athletic freaks in the NBA is a lot different than what Tom needs to do.
Honestly it would probably be best for Lebron to reformat his game a little so as not to put as much emphasis on his physical skills. I’ve always thought Lebron is essentially a physical cross of Magic and Dominique Wilkins. The size and strength of Magic with the explosiveness of Wilkins. Late in his career IMO he should mimic his game more to Magic (which he already does that a lot of the time) and reduce the amount of uber athletic plays he tries to make to save on his body.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 8:42 am to brmark70816
Only “rebuild the roster” options at this point are to ship out LeBron, THT, and Nunn for assets and try to figure out if you keep AD long term.
Westbrook is a sunk cost. Let him expire this year or flip him at the deadline to someone wanting salary relief to see if you can get assets for him.
Big issue is that THT is overpaid for what he brings, Nunn is coming off a lost season due to injury, and LeBron’s trade value is limited to a degree because he has a player option.
He can walk wherever he lands, which means that you are either getting a shite return on him because no one wants a max guy who can walk OR you are taking assets from a team with less to offer because LeBron will give assurances of staying around at least one season.
LeBron still has worth but, given his injury history and personal bullshite, teams have to weigh if he fits what they are doing or if they have to rebuild the team around him.
Building around him was a viable option in Cleveland where they had nothing else in the first run and little else in the second run. Less so in LA where they had a nice young core and LeBron didn’t really fit with ANY of them and had them all flipped to get “his guys” as a result.
LeBron may want to play with Steph or Luka but neither those guys nor their team will want to derail what they are doing for a season or two of a guy who is pushing 40.
Westbrook is a sunk cost. Let him expire this year or flip him at the deadline to someone wanting salary relief to see if you can get assets for him.
Big issue is that THT is overpaid for what he brings, Nunn is coming off a lost season due to injury, and LeBron’s trade value is limited to a degree because he has a player option.
He can walk wherever he lands, which means that you are either getting a shite return on him because no one wants a max guy who can walk OR you are taking assets from a team with less to offer because LeBron will give assurances of staying around at least one season.
LeBron still has worth but, given his injury history and personal bullshite, teams have to weigh if he fits what they are doing or if they have to rebuild the team around him.
Building around him was a viable option in Cleveland where they had nothing else in the first run and little else in the second run. Less so in LA where they had a nice young core and LeBron didn’t really fit with ANY of them and had them all flipped to get “his guys” as a result.
LeBron may want to play with Steph or Luka but neither those guys nor their team will want to derail what they are doing for a season or two of a guy who is pushing 40.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 9:33 am to teke184
We keep rehashing history. The question is what do they do now?
It's a messed up situation, but life goes on and they have to build a team for next year.
The tax line went up 13M, so that gives them some more space. But they aren't going to pay just to stay competitive and they can't retool into a contender.
When it comes to Westbrook specifically, waive/stretch makes the most sense. Keeping him or trading for comparable deals puts them deep into the tax. That is off the table for a non-contending team.
If James or Davis want out, then move them. Otherwise just put pieces around them and build for the future (ala the Nets). They actually did good before hitting on late picks/udfa (Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Caruso, Reaves, etc). It's great for us if they struggle now. But they will still be in the mix for a play in with those two healthy all season..
It's a messed up situation, but life goes on and they have to build a team for next year.
The tax line went up 13M, so that gives them some more space. But they aren't going to pay just to stay competitive and they can't retool into a contender.
When it comes to Westbrook specifically, waive/stretch makes the most sense. Keeping him or trading for comparable deals puts them deep into the tax. That is off the table for a non-contending team.
If James or Davis want out, then move them. Otherwise just put pieces around them and build for the future (ala the Nets). They actually did good before hitting on late picks/udfa (Kuzma, Nance, Hart, Caruso, Reaves, etc). It's great for us if they struggle now. But they will still be in the mix for a play in with those two healthy all season..
Posted on 5/20/22 at 10:00 am to brmark70816
Still comes back around to them having to make hard decisions on what they want to do and many of them are contradictory.
Getting out of the tax means dumping Westbrook, which hurts your product because you can’t replace his minutes even if the hit to dump him is only $15m for this year because of how high their spending is as of now. And this hamstrings them for another two years because $15m a season is over MLE salary which would be dead cap.
Running it back with this group isn’t feasible at all considering they weren’t great when all on the court.
Competing means flipping Westbrook and picks for guys who are more complimentary to LeBron but you are taking on salary that will stay after LeBron leaves.
Etc.
They got themselves into a right mess and it’s going to be painful getting out of it no matter what they do.
Getting out of the tax means dumping Westbrook, which hurts your product because you can’t replace his minutes even if the hit to dump him is only $15m for this year because of how high their spending is as of now. And this hamstrings them for another two years because $15m a season is over MLE salary which would be dead cap.
Running it back with this group isn’t feasible at all considering they weren’t great when all on the court.
Competing means flipping Westbrook and picks for guys who are more complimentary to LeBron but you are taking on salary that will stay after LeBron leaves.
Etc.
They got themselves into a right mess and it’s going to be painful getting out of it no matter what they do.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 10:20 am to teke184
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They got themselves into a right mess and it’s going to be painful getting out of it no matter what they do.
Yes. Of course. But they have to do something. They paid almost 50M in taxes this year and to do something similar again will cost as much if not much more.
50-80M is a lot of money, even to billionaires. Especially if it is coming out of their pockets. Or not coming in, either way.
We all try to push that aside as not a factor. When the owner is pissed that she just wasted all that money. They have the opportunity to get under and stay pretty close to status quo from this year. Which, if they were healthy (huge if) would put them in contention for the playin. That has to be appealing to them.
I'm all for a full scale tear down of the Lakers. Trade everybody and ride out a season with Westbrook. But I don't believe that is an option. James wants to stay and they get a ton of attention by having him. If he accepts being a star stat padder on a middling team for the next few seasons, is that a bad thing?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:41 am to brmark70816
I don’t think his ego will allow him to just put up empty stays.
He’s a bombastic a-hole who loves to talk about how he will win not two, not three, not four… etc. Putting up empty stats while his team gets its shite pushed in will grate on him because his ego and drive want him to win but also make it so that he won’t listen to a coach or front office explaining why what he wants is a bad idea.
He’s a bombastic a-hole who loves to talk about how he will win not two, not three, not four… etc. Putting up empty stats while his team gets its shite pushed in will grate on him because his ego and drive want him to win but also make it so that he won’t listen to a coach or front office explaining why what he wants is a bad idea.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:44 pm to teke184
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Milwaukee Bucks assistant Darvin Ham and former Trail Blazers coach Terry Stotts are among candidates who've advanced to the final round of interviews for the Los Angeles Lakers’ coaching job, sources tell ESPN.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:55 pm to cgrand
If you are Ham, why take a job that is likely a no win situation?
Stotts? He can survive being a coach of LeBron because he has a track record of winning elsewhere. He just needs to negotiate his guarantees well because Jeannie Buss is attempting to lowball coach pay to walk into this mess.
Still hoping they get Mark Jackson so I can watch the shite show as we get a very high pick next year.
Stotts? He can survive being a coach of LeBron because he has a track record of winning elsewhere. He just needs to negotiate his guarantees well because Jeannie Buss is attempting to lowball coach pay to walk into this mess.
Still hoping they get Mark Jackson so I can watch the shite show as we get a very high pick next year.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:08 pm to teke184
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Sources: Finalists for the Los Angeles Lakers head coaching job: Bucks assistant Darvin Ham, Warriors assistant Kenny Atkinson and former Trail Blazers coach Terry Stotts. Next stage of interviews are expected to take place in-person in Los Angeles.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:30 pm to Soggymoss
White coach who won a lot in Portland
White coach who coached the Nets when they were depleted in the mid-teens
Black assistant coach who hasn’t gotten a head coach slot in about 10 years of trying
I can see who LeBron could push for without digging any deeper.
Stotts is probably the right choice but I bet they lowball him.
White coach who coached the Nets when they were depleted in the mid-teens
Black assistant coach who hasn’t gotten a head coach slot in about 10 years of trying
I can see who LeBron could push for without digging any deeper.
Stotts is probably the right choice but I bet they lowball him.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:09 pm to teke184
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can see who LeBron could push for without digging any deeper.
Ham was a finalist when they hired the last coach.
If I'm Ham, I probably take it. Have to make the leap sooner or later..
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:49 pm to brmark70816
There are only 30 of those jobs that exist. Most of them are not great situations -- otherwise, the previous job holder would likely still be there.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 2:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
Unless Ham is not getting jobs because he's passing on them, you would think he'd take it. They won't keep you in the interview rotation forever.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Most of them are not great situations -- otherwise, the previous job holder would likely still be
That is just a fact. Everybody thought Nash was being gifted this awesome situation and look how that turned out. I'd rather go to a bad team in turmoil. The improvements are measurable..
Posted on 5/20/22 at 3:42 pm to brmark70816
There are better situations than others.
The Bucks might be in the coaching market because their coach’s offensive sets suck. Getting a new coach in to try something different is easier than move pieces from that roster around.
High risk if you walk in and can’t win with Giannis but it is a situation with a lot of talent which just won a title last year should it come available.
It’s not like waking into a total snake pit like the Lake Show where you don’t have a starting lineup let alone a roster as of now.
The Bucks might be in the coaching market because their coach’s offensive sets suck. Getting a new coach in to try something different is easier than move pieces from that roster around.
High risk if you walk in and can’t win with Giannis but it is a situation with a lot of talent which just won a title last year should it come available.
It’s not like waking into a total snake pit like the Lake Show where you don’t have a starting lineup let alone a roster as of now.
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