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re: 2021 Lakers Thread
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:58 am to dj30
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:58 am to dj30
Given that Pelinka’s job was on the line if we decided to trade AD elsewhere, he was going to bend over while we shoved the dildo up his arse.
It was going to be a bad deal for LA if he took it but he would keep his job by getting AD and worrying about the cost later.
I don’t fault Pelinka for that. I fault LeBron, Rich Paul, and Jeannie Buss for putting him in that situation.
It was going to be a bad deal for LA if he took it but he would keep his job by getting AD and worrying about the cost later.
I don’t fault Pelinka for that. I fault LeBron, Rich Paul, and Jeannie Buss for putting him in that situation.
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:04 am to dj30
quote:Crazy to think that to appease LeBron, they traded away Russell, Ball, Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Nance, Zubac and multiple 1st rounders. And all they really have to show for it is AD.
Yea they did a solid job here. Got a lot of young talent, brought in LeBron. The issue they ran into was trading Ingram at a low point causing them to give up a shite load of other pieces on top of him.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:07 am to NOSHAU
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Crazy to think that to appease LeBron, they traded away Russell, Ball, Ingram, Hart, Kuzma, Nance, Zubac and multiple 1st rounders. And all they really have to show for it is AD.
1 Championship
All that matters... will do it again... and again....and again...
Sadly franchises like the Lakers don't draft/build from within. They trade/sign to win.
If you don't like it, you don't like winning.
I'm not a Lakers fan, just know sports history.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:07 am to NOSHAU
And all it would have taken to have a dynastic roster would have been one year of patience on Lebron’s part
Yeah, you don’t win the bubble chip, but AD walks to LA after wherever we trade him to and the Lakers are unbelievably stacked for the next 10 years and Lebron probably retires with at least 2-3 more rings.
Lebron is often his own worst enemy to his legacy due to his impatience and inability to see bigger pictures and think longer term
Yeah, you don’t win the bubble chip, but AD walks to LA after wherever we trade him to and the Lakers are unbelievably stacked for the next 10 years and Lebron probably retires with at least 2-3 more rings.
Lebron is often his own worst enemy to his legacy due to his impatience and inability to see bigger pictures and think longer term
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:16 am to Bronc
Impatience is one problem. Hubris is another.
He thinks he is the greatest judge of talent in basketball history. Problem is that he keeps bringing in guys who don’t fit together and costing him guys that do in the process.
There have been plenty of breakdown videos over what happened this year and a lot boiled down to “Choosing THT over Caruso was mistake one and choosing Westbrick over Hield was mistake two.”
The Lakers lost the outside shooters who allowed LeBron and AD to work while bringing in a guy who didn’t fit and pretty much everyone not LeBron and AD knew he wasn’t going to fit.
It has been argued that the decision to bring Westbrook in was done because LeBron thought he would be able to coast during the regular season then turn on “playoff mode” if they had a third star.
Bringing in supporting pieces like Hield would have meant winning but also would have meant LeBron or AD would have had to be out there producing as the stars.
He thinks he is the greatest judge of talent in basketball history. Problem is that he keeps bringing in guys who don’t fit together and costing him guys that do in the process.
There have been plenty of breakdown videos over what happened this year and a lot boiled down to “Choosing THT over Caruso was mistake one and choosing Westbrick over Hield was mistake two.”
The Lakers lost the outside shooters who allowed LeBron and AD to work while bringing in a guy who didn’t fit and pretty much everyone not LeBron and AD knew he wasn’t going to fit.
It has been argued that the decision to bring Westbrook in was done because LeBron thought he would be able to coast during the regular season then turn on “playoff mode” if they had a third star.
Bringing in supporting pieces like Hield would have meant winning but also would have meant LeBron or AD would have had to be out there producing as the stars.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:18 am to teke184
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He seems to be having a mental breakdown as he realizes how badly he fricked up, IMHO, because he is no longer perceived as a star or a nice guy and his next contract won’t be near as rich at this point.
as much as they all crave the big market, AD is now getting to experience the bad part of it, the full brunt of the media coming after you when you fail.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:20 am to longhorn22
You still have to be able to develop guys.
The Showtime Lakers, for example, were Kareem (trade) but otherwise mainly draft picks like Worthy and Magic. They got those picks via trade by sending out their old stars to places like New Orleans but they still had to develop young talent.
The Shaq-Kobe Lakers were one FA signing and one homegrown talent as the centerpieces. All subsequent Kobe teams still had him as the homegrown talent while Pau and others were brought in via trade.
LeBron Lakers? The only homegrown talent was Kuzma and he got shipped out.
The Showtime Lakers, for example, were Kareem (trade) but otherwise mainly draft picks like Worthy and Magic. They got those picks via trade by sending out their old stars to places like New Orleans but they still had to develop young talent.
The Shaq-Kobe Lakers were one FA signing and one homegrown talent as the centerpieces. All subsequent Kobe teams still had him as the homegrown talent while Pau and others were brought in via trade.
LeBron Lakers? The only homegrown talent was Kuzma and he got shipped out.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:22 am to BilJ
I don’t think AD realized how good he had it in New Orleans where his flaws were overlooked because he played in a small market.
He saw it as “I don’t get endorsements because I play in NOLA!”, regardless of him having as much charisma as a train wreck. Zion getting endorsements in NOLA while this bitch is still shilling douche flavored Ruffles emphasizes this.
He saw it as “I don’t get endorsements because I play in NOLA!”, regardless of him having as much charisma as a train wreck. Zion getting endorsements in NOLA while this bitch is still shilling douche flavored Ruffles emphasizes this.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:25 am to teke184
There is a potato under our kitchen sink with twice Toni’s charisma.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:54 am to teke184
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The Showtime Lakers, for example, were Kareem (trade) but otherwise mainly draft picks like Worthy and Magic. They got those picks via trade by sending out their old stars to places like New Orleans but they still had to develop young talent.
100% Facts...
but in the day and age we are in now I'd say Post 97' maybe? Not many teams "build and win championships with the roster they draft"... you have to go get those multiple pieces if not the entire thing. Sometimes you get 1 young multi generational talent who's stuck at a franchise to stay there and attract guys to come play with them (D-Wade in 05-06?) But many times you need "help" and you trade/sign.... trade/sign...
Especially in the era where the Player pretty much gets there way no matter what.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:08 am to longhorn22
Point is that you still have to develop a core of players, be it your centerpiece or your supporting players. You can’t just trade for 2-3 stars then slap a bunch of random vets on the team and win without an ability to develop cheap talent in-house.
Raptors traded for a star but nearly all their other pieces were homegrown or a reclamation project (Lowry).
Warriors and Spurs had their cores as guys drafted there.
The Heat had Wade as well as guys like Haslem, Joel Anthony, etc, who were supporting the stars like LeBron and Bosh.
Mavs? Dirk and homegrown guys plus a few odds and ends like Tyson Chandler brought in via trade.
Constructing a championship team from scratch still requires the ability to bring in young guys and develop them into role players to fill gaps in your roster. The Lakers haven’t really been able to do that for quite a while. Most of their young talent from the last few years made their big leaps after leaving LA, with Kuzma being about the only exception.
Raptors traded for a star but nearly all their other pieces were homegrown or a reclamation project (Lowry).
Warriors and Spurs had their cores as guys drafted there.
The Heat had Wade as well as guys like Haslem, Joel Anthony, etc, who were supporting the stars like LeBron and Bosh.
Mavs? Dirk and homegrown guys plus a few odds and ends like Tyson Chandler brought in via trade.
Constructing a championship team from scratch still requires the ability to bring in young guys and develop them into role players to fill gaps in your roster. The Lakers haven’t really been able to do that for quite a while. Most of their young talent from the last few years made their big leaps after leaving LA, with Kuzma being about the only exception.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:13 am to teke184
golden state underachieved, but they grew their stars to get their ring (excluding the durant rings)
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:23 am to htran90
it appears the lakers fired frank vogel via a woj tweet LOL
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:26 am to cgrand
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it appears the lakers fired frank vogel via a woj tweet LOL
That happened weeks ago... was finally released officially.
Was no surprise to anyone anywhere
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:46 am to MrJimBeam
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To me, this would be possibly the most amazing part of the trade. If we nail their pick this year and get a healthy Zion, we will be tough to beat. The end of the bench is still an issue, but we have a young group of guys that are likely to improve going into next year mixed with some great vets.
Assuming solid progression and health, we need another guard. We'd be solid everywhere else:
PG: McCollum, Graham, Alvarado, Lewis
SG: Jones, Murphy
SF: Ingram, Jones, Murphy
PF: Williamson, Hayes, Nance
C: Valanciunas, Nance
Ideally --- we get a guy like AJ Griffin and with progression from Murphy/Jones/Hayes like you said it'd be enough to be a 50+ win team if everyone is healthy
Posted on 4/11/22 at 11:29 am to longhorn22
quote:There's a couple of ways to look at this. Lakers fans can say they'd make the trade for AD 100 times out of 100 because they got a title, and that's not technically wrong.
1 Championship
All that matters... will do it again... and again....and again...
But if you asked 100 Laker fans when AD was added what their expectations were for competing for titles...100 out of 100 Lakers fans would have had higher expectations than a title in year 1 then not winning a playoff season for the next 2 years, missing the playoffs, become the legit laughingstock of the league, and having a pretty bleak outlook for the next 3-4 years.
Folks are lying to themselves if they tell you they weren't expecting more than the above. Winning at least 1 title was the expectation. But competing for more was also the next level of expectations, surely not becoming what they have.
So in that respect, the Lakers have underachieved since the AD trade.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 11:32 am to htran90
quote:If we have relative health, then 50 wins or darn close to it is the expectation. 48 wins got the 6th seed in the West this season.
like you said it'd be enough to be a 50+ win team if everyone is healthy
If we have health and top out next season at the play in, that's a massive failure IMO.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 12:23 pm to shel311
pels broke lebonk
Posted on 4/11/22 at 12:26 pm to longhorn22
According to Shams, the Lakers are targeting Nick Nurse to be their next coach.
Hard for me to see that happening.
Hard for me to see that happening.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 12:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
"Hi Nick, look our roster is completely fricked, Lebron makes all of the personnel and coaching decisions, and when it doesn't pan out he'll make you the scapegoat and you'll be fired. So would you like to become the next coach of the Los Angeles Lakers?..........Hello?"
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