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Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:19 pm to
Am I reading this correctly in that, if they announce the 14th pick and it isn't the Pelicans, we will be in the top 4?

Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1880 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 12:23 pm to
Correct. We are either in for a really long or really short night. No in between
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 1:15 pm to
Bufkin would be a solid pick. Jalen Williams-esque
Posted by longhorn22
Nicholls St. Fan
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:11 pm to
Pels should package the pick and move it
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:12 pm to
Pretty much.

The number of times that trading down from one has happened is low to begin with. Where it has worked out well is also questionable.


The Magic traded down from 1 to 3 to get Penny Hardaway, which worked out for them, but the other three picks they got from Golden State for Webber were crap.

The Celtics had a horse shoe up their arse trading down from 1 to 3, as Fultz busted at 1 while Jason Tatum has been a star for them at 3. OTOH, the other pick they got out of that trade was Romeo Langford, which was not good for them.


At best, you get one good piece out of these trades and normally there is no one close to the first overall pick in value down the line OR there is no separation between first pick and the next few picks, meaning no value in first vs third, fifth, etc.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:15 pm to
Refine that, please.

Package it with who or what and move where?

Get an additional veteran? Move up? Gamble on getting a good pick next year from someone by trading out?
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:22 pm to
I also think Wemby is the clear number 1 pick in this draft class, but I’ve basically thought for a year now that it would be impossible for him to live up to the hype.

I don’t think he’s particularly close to being the best prospect since Lebron either.

There are 5-6 guys just from the last 3-4 years I’d probably pick over him, especially with what we know about how they already perform on an nba floor.

Don’t get me wrong. I’d be excited if we won the pick. But I sincerely wouldn’t expect a championship level impact from Wemby anytime soon. He’d pretty clearly be the 3rd or 4th best player on the team behind Ingram, Zion and possibly Trey Murphy for at least a year or two.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103357 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:27 pm to
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He’d pretty clearly be the 3rd or 4th best player on the team behind Ingram, Zion and possibly Trey Murphy for at least a year or two.


This assumes Zion or Ingram is on the floor.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:32 pm to
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There are 5-6 guys just from the last 3-4 years I’d probably pick over him, especially with what we know about how they already perform on an nba floor.
Who since Zion? We are talking about a prospect coming out in the draft. You cannot take into account what they have already done in the NBA, as no one has that info at the time of the draft.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11288 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:39 pm to
Could he play with Zion?

He plays PF. Everybody assumes he'll play Center, since he's 7'4. But that's not where he plays now and he needs serious gains to even attempt to play near the rim. There is video on Kenny Lofton beasting him in international play. Even Holmgren was able to body him up..
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112677 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 2:46 pm to
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Could he play with Zion?
Literal perfect fit

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He plays PF. Everybody assumes he'll play Center, since he's 7'4
Because he's going to play center
Posted by saintslsupels
Member since Jul 2014
2492 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:10 pm to
If you think Wembaya won’t eventually play center then I’d say that’s a stubborn way to look at it. He’s going to gain weight and get stronger.

Wembaya’s potential is a bigger more athletic Anthony Davis with better shooting and dribbling. There’s a reason he’s being hyped.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11288 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:51 pm to
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Wembaya’s potential is a bigger more athletic Anthony Davis with better shooting and dribbling. There’s a reason he’s being hyped.


Why would a Center need to be a great shooter or dribbler?

Everybody he gets compared to, Davis, Giannis, Porzingis.. they are all PFs, that don't want to play Center.

quote:

He’s going to gain weight and get stronger.


Just that easy?

I get it, you are projecting. But this is the exact same debates we had last year with Holmgren. It's super early, but the results don't look great so far. Why are people doubling down?
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13554 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:56 pm to
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I get it, you are projecting. But this is the exact same debates we had last year with Holmgren. It's super early, but the results don't look great so far. Why are people doubling down?

Every draft pick is a projection. Why doesn't it look good for Holmgren? Because he was injured and did not play? How did his body type cause a lisfranc injury?
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
37254 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 3:56 pm to
I’m not even going to watch lol
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:02 pm to
I just ran simulations on tankathon. Took me 42 attempts before we landed in the top 4.

We got the 3rd pick. So yeah, I'm not feeling too hopeful lol
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13554 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:19 pm to
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I just ran simulations on tankathon. Took me 42 attempts before we landed in the top 4.

We got the 3rd pick. So yeah, I'm not feeling too hopeful lol


Hope he goes to an Eastern Conf team. Before the season, many felt the NBA promised Pops the #1 to keep him around for the Spurs rebuild. Let's see if the conspiracy theory plays out. Think how good the Pistons rebuild will be going if they add Wemby to Cunningham, Ivey, Duren, Wiseman and Hayes. Maybe we could pry a young big man from them. Same with Hornets.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8257 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:23 pm to
Only 27 for me, so we are trending in the right direction. It's time for Griff to play some piano and work some magic.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30037 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:38 pm to
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I just ran simulations on tankathon. Took me 42 attempts before we landed in the top 4.




took me about 100 times to get into the top 4, but it was the #1 pick once i got it.
I also counted 8 times that Toronto got a top 4 pick before we finally got one.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112677 posts
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:48 pm to
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Only 27 for me, so we are trending in the right direction
6th time!!!

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