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re: Early Trade Speculation...
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:08 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:08 pm to Dantheman504
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we are trading Zion then you take: Brandon Miller/ Miles Bridges/ multiple 1sts Or Jabari Smith/ Cam Whitmore/ Eason/ multiple 1sts
Dude we’d be lucky to get a quarter of those assets.
If any of these trades were on the table you take, run and block their numbers before they change their mind
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:18 pm to Balsamic_duck
I think we need a reset.
I don’t think people realize how far we are away from being a contender.
Say we do trade for a #2 like sabonis using CJ, filler and picks.
Be honest with yourself. Is post Achilles Murray, Herb, Trey, Zion, and Sabonis a contender? Because they aren’t. That’s like a 6th seed at best. Murray is out till January if we’re luck And you have Zero depth because you traded most of it to match salary for sabonis so you’re screwed if anyone misses time.
I don’t think people realize how far we are away from being a contender.
Say we do trade for a #2 like sabonis using CJ, filler and picks.
Be honest with yourself. Is post Achilles Murray, Herb, Trey, Zion, and Sabonis a contender? Because they aren’t. That’s like a 6th seed at best. Murray is out till January if we’re luck And you have Zero depth because you traded most of it to match salary for sabonis so you’re screwed if anyone misses time.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:19 pm to Balsamic_duck
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we are trading Zion then you take: Brandon Miller/ Miles Bridges/ multiple 1sts Or Jabari Smith/ Cam Whitmore/ Eason/ multiple 1sts
Dude we’d be lucky to get a quarter of those assets
Well Bridges would have to go out for $ to work and Jabari would have to go out for $ to work. And they are playing similar positions so those would be a given.
Brandon Miller + 25' is lightweight for a team serious about Zion. He's guaranteed for (3) years and you can probably talk him into an extension. So yeah B Miller and 1-2 1st is not crazy for 5+ years of Zion potential. Same thing with Whitmore and Eason.
We got a 1st and (2) solid role players for an injured and expiring BI. And we probably still should have gotten more. Y'all are crazy for thinking Zions value is that low.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:29 pm to Balsamic_duck
I truly do think we could get b miller and a few picks (including this years if it’s 2-4) for Zion from the hornets. But if not Im not desperate to trade him for just anything. Theres no rush to get rid of Zion if the offers aren’t good
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:36 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
I think we need a reset.
I don’t think people realize how far we are away from being a contender.
Say we do trade for a #2 like sabonis using CJ, filler and picks.
Be honest with yourself. Is post Achilles Murray, Herb, Trey, Zion, and Sabonis a contender
Healthy? Could be. Healthy tho? Ehh
I still don't think that's a great move, he makes too much. For example Sabonis avg salary for the next (2) years is $45MIL. Claxton and Cam Johnson avg salary the next (2) years $45MIL... Its the best move and adds (2) players in their prime on very friendly contracts if you blow it up.
A trade like that covers our core for the next 3+ years and adds trade assets.
Even if we are decently healthy we finish #15-#20 at worst and can get better the next year with the current roster. I'd much rather have Claxton or Cam Johnson for several years > #15/ #20 in the next few drafts.
We may be able to get more than what we lost if we blow it up. Missi could become a savant and Claxton making 23/20 in 2-3 years could be an insane asset.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 7:39 pm to Dantheman504
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Brandon Miller + 25' is lightweight for a team serious about Zion. He's guaranteed for (3) years and you can probably talk him into an extension. So yeah B Miller and 1-2 1st is not crazy for 5+ years of Zion potential. Same thing with Whitmore and Eason. We got a 1st and (2) solid role players for an injured and expiring BI. And we probably still should have gotten more. Y'all are crazy for thinking Zions value is that low.
He’s played 214 games in 6 years. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills trying to explain this to yall.
If Zion was on another team are you trading Trey, our top 5 pick this year plus other picks for him? Because I wouldn’t. You’re talking about an All-NBA level package for 35 games/year of Zion. He’s not at that level. He may look like that at times in the 30 games he’s plays but that’s just it, he doesn’t play enough games to warrant that package.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:21 pm to REBEL5 AC
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I'd take Sydney Sweeney...
Sidney Sweeney would take:
Jabari Smith/ Cam Whitmore/ Eason/ multiple 1sts
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:50 pm to Balsamic_duck
I REALLY want Brandon Miller and I'm willing to forfeit whatever "credit" I have built up around here...for my Herb Jones over-the-top rantings way back when...if we somehow end up landing Miller.
I promise...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with BM being from Bama. The guy is gonna start coming on strong next season...especially if LaMelo is moved by Charlotte...and even if he's not moved.
He's a young Paul George...with very little, if any, "baggage". Areas for improvement...he shoots the 3 a bit too flat...but that will come around. Needs to improve "taking it to the basket"...WHICH HE WILL...as soon as his "handle" improves just a bit. Can play VERY solid defense...when motivated to do so...and he WILL be motivated to do so...as long as Herb is around.
Bottom line...we follow the Grizz quite a bit up here in this neck of the woods...and we've been hearing a bunch about possible trades for LaMelo...from fairly reliable sources...but we seldom if ever...hear about anybody wanting to trade BM. There's a VERY good reason for that.
Time for the Pelicans to finally get "lucky"...and make a trade that will be considered a "genius move"...a coupla years from now. We're due a little "good" luck...and then, throw in a bit of luck with those ping pong balls...and things could get VERY interesting...in a hurry...around here.
I promise...it has absolutely NOTHING to do with BM being from Bama. The guy is gonna start coming on strong next season...especially if LaMelo is moved by Charlotte...and even if he's not moved.
He's a young Paul George...with very little, if any, "baggage". Areas for improvement...he shoots the 3 a bit too flat...but that will come around. Needs to improve "taking it to the basket"...WHICH HE WILL...as soon as his "handle" improves just a bit. Can play VERY solid defense...when motivated to do so...and he WILL be motivated to do so...as long as Herb is around.
Bottom line...we follow the Grizz quite a bit up here in this neck of the woods...and we've been hearing a bunch about possible trades for LaMelo...from fairly reliable sources...but we seldom if ever...hear about anybody wanting to trade BM. There's a VERY good reason for that.
Time for the Pelicans to finally get "lucky"...and make a trade that will be considered a "genius move"...a coupla years from now. We're due a little "good" luck...and then, throw in a bit of luck with those ping pong balls...and things could get VERY interesting...in a hurry...around here.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 10:51 pm to New City Champ
Give me Maxey.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:04 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I just can’t understand the logic of spending even more assets in a trade to continue to build around Zion when he’s coming off his 4th year out of 6 playing 30 games or less.
He doesn’t warrant pushing more chips in when he hasn’t proven he can stay healthy enough to build around.
We’re already going to start next season with one hand tied behind our back due to paying Murray 30m and him missing half the season to recover.
It’s like trying to buy tickets for the Titanic while you’re watching it sink.
He doesn’t warrant pushing more chips in when he hasn’t proven he can stay healthy enough to build around.
We’re already going to start next season with one hand tied behind our back due to paying Murray 30m and him missing half the season to recover.
It’s like trying to buy tickets for the Titanic while you’re watching it sink.
Posted on 4/1/25 at 11:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I just can’t understand the logic of spending even more assets in a trade to continue to build around Zion when he’s coming off his 4th year out of 6 playing 30 games or less.
He doesn’t warrant pushing more chips in when he hasn’t proven he can stay healthy enough to build around.
We’re already going to start next season with one hand tied behind our back due to paying Murray 30m and him missing half the season to recover.
It’s like trying to buy tickets for the Titanic while you’re watching it sink.
To be honest...I'd luv to get Miller in any trade involving moving Zion...but, no matter who we will trade Zion for...I think we will better off in the long run. Time to move on...
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:01 am to Dinky Mulberry
Late to the party but... Finally people starting to make sense on this board. It's time to move on from Zion and start a soft reset. If we can get a top 3 pick for him in this draft or the next and multiple firsts and other players you take it. Don't do what we did with Ingram and Lonzo and get almost nothing because it's going to come to that point sooner or later. We need to cash in now.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:13 am to New City Champ
If pels get 4-7, I would package a Zion deal.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:56 am to PelsRoe318
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Late to the party but... Finally people starting to make sense on this board. It's time to move on from Zion and start a soft reset. If we can get a top 3 pick for him in this draft or the next and multiple firsts and other players you take it. Don't do what we did with Ingram and Lonzo and get almost nothing because it's going to come to that point sooner or later. We need to cash in now.
I think a soft reset is completely doable in the next 2 years. This draft and next draft are LOADED. I would trade Zion for the best offer this offseason, let Murray sit out most if not all next season to make sure he fully recovers, I would use CJ’s expiring to take back a bad contract for picks, and I would explore Herb trades depending on the return. Tank one more year next year and come back in 26-27 with a fully healthy Murray, Trey, 2 top 4 picks in loaded drafts plus whatever we got from a Zion trade.
I think the Murray injury is a very delicate situation, I don’t want to rush the guy back next season to chase a play in spot if we’re lucky and risk him getting injured again and putting 26-27 season in jeopardy.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:05 am to Balsamic_duck
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think a soft reset is completely doable in the next 2 years. This draft and next draft are LOADED. I would trade Zion for the best offer this offseason, let Murray sit out most if not all next season to make sure he fully recovers, I would use CJ’s expiring to take back a bad contract for picks, and I would explore Herb trades depending on the return. Tank one more year next year and come back in 26-27 with a fully healthy Murray, Trey, 2 top 4 picks in loaded drafts plus whatever we got from a Zion trade.
Very well said. Thank you. That's how a reset should be done, 1-2 years to build the base, then grow it out over the next 3-4. That's how it's supposed to be..
Posted on 4/2/25 at 8:42 am to slutiger5
What we need to happen is similar to what happened during the zion draft.
We get lucky, land the top pick.
Charlotte and Brooklyn falls to 4-6
Move zion to either team for filler and a slew of picks.
Let's say claxton & multiple picks
Realistic possibility of building around a core of:
Edgecombe/jones/flagg/murphy/missi
We get lucky, land the top pick.
Charlotte and Brooklyn falls to 4-6
Move zion to either team for filler and a slew of picks.
Let's say claxton & multiple picks
Realistic possibility of building around a core of:
Edgecombe/jones/flagg/murphy/missi
This post was edited on 4/2/25 at 9:40 am
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:22 am to Dinky Mulberry
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He's a young Paul George
He has actually been an "old" Paul George. He has only been available for 64% of his team's games since he entered the league. He plays terrible defense. He puts up offensive stats without affecting winning. You can say it's because he is on a bad team or because he is young, but they have basically the exact same winning percentage in games he plays and games he has missed.
He's way more likely to be the next Kyle Kuzma than he is to be the next Paul George. Kaman and Gordon was a better return for Chris Paul than a Zion deal centered around Miller would be.
The way this board overrates Miller and Sengoof is just wild.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:29 am to htran90
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What we need to happen is similar to what happened during the zion draft.
Idk why everyone is so obsessed with just getting Cooper. It’s unlikely to happen. But this is one of the deepest drafts in a while and you’re still going to get someone who probably would’ve been the first pick last year to add to an ok roster. It’s been a rough season, I think it’s embarrassing they haven’t fired Willie, but this board is way too negative about things. Harper, Bailey, Tre Johnson, etc could all easily end up being franchise pieces.
Everyone wants to build it like OKC did but forgets the fact that they never had the #1 overall pick. Griff also has a good draft record. I know everyone wants to complain about him but with Missi hitting he’s managed to find 3 quality starters in the late first and second round of the draft.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 9:39 am to jrobic4
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Sidney Sweeney would take:
Nice tits but she’s overrated to me.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 10:08 am to tigre704
Cooper would be the big prize.
Getting 2-3 would still be a major haul.
Getting between 4-8 is iffy depending on who is left on the board. We would need to have the minutes to develop whoever gets picked there, which is a tougher thing with Edgecomb or Tre Johnson at the 2 vs KJ at the 1-2 or Maluach at the 5, given we are short on bodies at the 1 and 5.
Getting 2-3 would still be a major haul.
Getting between 4-8 is iffy depending on who is left on the board. We would need to have the minutes to develop whoever gets picked there, which is a tougher thing with Edgecomb or Tre Johnson at the 2 vs KJ at the 1-2 or Maluach at the 5, given we are short on bodies at the 1 and 5.
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