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Posted on 6/17/23 at 12:31 pm to FatMan
Imagine linking a paid article (that you read) and telling other people not to read it and that you hate ESPN (while paying for their premium articles)
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:11 pm to Mulkey Man
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I would take Scoot and Hayward for Zion
I’d try for Williams or a future protected first but I really want Scoot. I think he will have a longer career with many more games played even if he is never as good as Zion. In our small market, I want consistency over lottery.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 1:53 pm to St Augustine
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There is absolutely NO shot we’re getting that for a dude who has played as little as he has and is as immature as he is
Ok
So then you don’t trade him.
If other teams don’t want to give that up for him then so be it. He’s not some draft pick that you have no idea if he’ll even make it in the league. He’s played enough NBA games for everyone to recognize that’s he has legit MVP potential.
The injury concern is obviously what’s holding his value back a bit, but his performance on the court is worth more than what I just proposed.
I’m settling for #2, Williams and Hayward. That’s me conceding his worth. Hayward has no value. If Zion played a fully healthy season then he’d be worth #2, Williams, another good young player, and 4 firsts, at least.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
I agree with your line of thought.
Zion has shown that his game translates to the NBA at an MVP level. The question is his ability to stay on the court - his health and attitude. He’s only 22.
His upside is higher than anyone in the draft with the possible exception of VW. His downside is known. He is not a prospect.
Teams are trying to bargain shop.
if the Pels can’t get reasonable value for him, then it’s better to roll with trying to fix him or it least rebuild some of his value.
Zion has shown that his game translates to the NBA at an MVP level. The question is his ability to stay on the court - his health and attitude. He’s only 22.
His upside is higher than anyone in the draft with the possible exception of VW. His downside is known. He is not a prospect.
Teams are trying to bargain shop.
if the Pels can’t get reasonable value for him, then it’s better to roll with trying to fix him or it least rebuild some of his value.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:21 pm to Mad Scientist26
You see what Gobert went for? Zion is a shitload better than him.
No. 2, Williams, 24 first, pick swaps in 25 and 27 or no deal.
Zion is 22 and a potential MVP
No. 2, Williams, 24 first, pick swaps in 25 and 27 or no deal.
Zion is 22 and a potential MVP
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:37 pm to ghost2most
quote:
You see what Gobert went for? Zion is a shitload better than him. No. 2, Williams, 24 first, pick swaps in 25 and 27 or no deal. Zion is 22 and a potential MVP
They would laugh in your face. No one in the league values Zion this much.
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
Teddy, you are right
There is no chronic injury with Zion unless you count his weight. Teams know he is a proven franchise changing player when he’s on the court. He would undoubtedly bring a haul
Brad Beal hasn’t played over 60 games the past four years. He’s overpaid, older and not as good. Somehow he has a market even as a tertiary player on a decent team
There is no chronic injury with Zion unless you count his weight. Teams know he is a proven franchise changing player when he’s on the court. He would undoubtedly bring a haul
Brad Beal hasn’t played over 60 games the past four years. He’s overpaid, older and not as good. Somehow he has a market even as a tertiary player on a decent team
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:43 pm to higgsBoson
quote:Then there's legit no reason to trade him.
They would laugh in your face. No one in the league values Zion this much
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:49 pm to shel311
quote:yes there is
Then there's legit no reason to trade him.
if the bond is broken and the team wants to move on (they know better than we do if zion is committed to getting his shite together), you trade him for scoot and try again. In the CHA scenario you send him for #2 as fair value and take back salary to make a legal trade.
there is risk and reward on both sides, pretty equally spread in my opinion
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:50 pm to ghost2most
quote:
You see what Gobert went for? Zion is a shitload better than him.
In what world?!
Zion is Brandon Roy at this point in his career
You have to view the PF spot on this team as almost vacant because you have no idea how many games you get out of Zion.
This post was edited on 6/17/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/17/23 at 2:54 pm to cgrand
quote:Unless he's demanding a trade and causing a stink like AD did, I disagree.
yes there is
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:11 pm to shel311
you disagree that scoot is fair value for zion (I assume). What if he is fair value for THIS zion. Cause that’s the one we have
ok to disagree but the team knows 100x more than we do. If he isn’t going to get right mind and body, you trade him now
Next couple of drafts are thin on super talent
ok to disagree but the team knows 100x more than we do. If he isn’t going to get right mind and body, you trade him now
Next couple of drafts are thin on super talent
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:12 pm to cgrand
quote:Then I don't entertain trading Zion.
you disagree that scoot is fair value for zion (I assume). What if he is fair value for THIS zion
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:15 pm to cgrand
if wembanyama wasn’t in this draft scoot is the clear 1/2. How is that different from zion/ja? You get a lead guard on a rookie deal and you roll the dice again
If zion were what he could be, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But he isn’t and it’s not clear that he ever will be, here. There’s plenty of reasons to trade him even if you think you are selling low (you aren’t)
Or keep him. But it is a valid discussion
If zion were what he could be, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But he isn’t and it’s not clear that he ever will be, here. There’s plenty of reasons to trade him even if you think you are selling low (you aren’t)
Or keep him. But it is a valid discussion
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:21 pm to cgrand
quote:Less upside
if wembanyama wasn’t in this draft scoot is the clear 1/2. How is that different from zion/ja?
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:22 pm to shel311
less downside too
you are ignoring the worst case scenario which Griffin cannot afford to do
you are ignoring the worst case scenario which Griffin cannot afford to do
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:29 pm to cgrand
quote:Imo the absolute worse case scenario is trading Zion and watching him dominate in Charlotte and the Hornets be a better team than us.
you are ignoring the worst case scenario which Griffin cannot afford to do
quote:An org like the Pels should always swing for the fences and trading a generational talent should be the last possible option.
less downside too
Posted on 6/17/23 at 3:56 pm to shel311
no guarantee zion would have done it here even if he does it there. And you are trading one super talent for another, and the upside that comes with it
there’s no right or wrong answer. It’s a risk for both teams. If you think zion can turn it around you keep him, if you don’t you trade him now
there’s no right or wrong answer. It’s a risk for both teams. If you think zion can turn it around you keep him, if you don’t you trade him now
Posted on 6/17/23 at 4:52 pm to jmcwhrter
Brandon Roy had a degenerative condition. And he never was close to as hood as Zion
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