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re: Lebron basically just requested a trade
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:09 am to shel311
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:09 am to shel311
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Both are true, they're both at fault. Lebron for calling the shots and doing so terribly, and the FO for allowing him to do so.
In this environment as a front office you can’t really tell him no, because he’s proven he will just leave if you do. He holds teams hostage.
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:11 am to BigPerm30
quote:Exactly why I gave Lebron blame.
You know those trades don’t happen without LeBron. If LeBron wasn’t pressuring management, those trades don’t happen.
quote:Exactly why the front office deserves blame
Sure management has to execute them
It's on both sides.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:15 am to Epic Cajun
quote:You'd be on a MUCH quicker road to recovery if you tell him no and let him leave then the current team make up.
In this environment as a front office you can’t really tell him no, because he’s proven he will just leave if you do. He holds teams hostage.
It was clear last offseason they werent winning anything, so what is the positive of letting him call the shots and ruining the team?
Granted, the answer is likely money, in that Lebron on the Lakers, win or lose, is good for business with the Lakers. He brings in a ton of revenue, and the Lakers are a family owned business with no outside business, so profits are very important to them, more than most other teams.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:18 am to shel311
Honestly the best thing for us is that Lebron causes a bunch of locker room BS wanting to be traded, but isn't traded.
He's becoming more and more a shell.
He's becoming more and more a shell.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:20 am to shel311
I think they didn’t realize they were on the road to nowhere until last season, which is definitely on them, but they’ve realized that now and are pushing back on moving their future pieces now, but it’s kinda too late.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:23 am to Epic Cajun
The best thing the Lakers could do would be to trade everyone they can this offseason for the max amount of value they can and start over.
Try and put pieces together that allows them to not bottom out for one year but still not be bad, hoping we use the 24 pick instead of the 25.
Then bottom out, have cap space and future picks.
Try and put pieces together that allows them to not bottom out for one year but still not be bad, hoping we use the 24 pick instead of the 25.
Then bottom out, have cap space and future picks.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:27 am to shel311
Lebron needs 574 more points to pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar which is approx about 20 more games given his average, which coincidentally falls near the Feb 4th matchup vs the Pels.
If the losses continue to pile up thru January, I fully expect him to go into hibernation mode once he gets the scoring record in early February.
If the losses continue to pile up thru January, I fully expect him to go into hibernation mode once he gets the scoring record in early February.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:35 am to LSUFreek
I actually don’t think he cares about the scoring record. He practically gave up the scoring title last year when he decided to not finish the season.
I think his biggest issue now is he doesn’t care enough to carry a team. He does what comes easy and doesn’t care about the rest.
I think his biggest issue now is he doesn’t care enough to carry a team. He does what comes easy and doesn’t care about the rest.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:49 am to Tigerfan14
LeBron needs to man up and see it through. He created this mess and now he wants to leave. That’s the problem when his generation of NBA stars (Chris Paul, AD, Harden, and Durant) they leave at the drop of adversity.
That’s why I have a ton of respect for Giannis and Embiid. At least they try to stick with it and see it through. Embiid might complain about management decisions but at least he honors his contract, teammates, and city by sticking with it.
That’s why I have a ton of respect for Giannis and Embiid. At least they try to stick with it and see it through. Embiid might complain about management decisions but at least he honors his contract, teammates, and city by sticking with it.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:51 am to shel311
It is on both. BUT. LeBron is notorious for short term deals with a player option as both a way to maximize his money and to tell the team “I’m not staying unless you do what I want.”
Once you have signed LeBron, you have to keep him happy until he leaves.
Blame Jeannie Buss and Rob Pelinka for letting him in the door but you can’t blame them too much for stupid shite done to cater to his demands.
Once you have signed LeBron, you have to keep him happy until he leaves.
Blame Jeannie Buss and Rob Pelinka for letting him in the door but you can’t blame them too much for stupid shite done to cater to his demands.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:03 am to Tigerfan14
Lebron is consumed with his "legacy", so owning the scoring record is the only thing left to play for that can actually enhance his legacy because he just indirectly admitted getting another ring won't happen with this current roster.
I think he'll half-arse the rest of the season after mid-February post-record ...or try to force some desperate roster action by the trade deadline, which is unlikely, so he'll half-arse the rest which means the Wembystakes will be back in play for the Pels.
I think he'll half-arse the rest of the season after mid-February post-record ...or try to force some desperate roster action by the trade deadline, which is unlikely, so he'll half-arse the rest which means the Wembystakes will be back in play for the Pels.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:03 am to chRxis
He's a cancer. To the league and to any team he's ever been associated with.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:06 am to teke184
quote:Agreed, but that last statement applies only when simply having Lebron automatically makes you a title contender, but that stopped being so a couple of seasons ago.
It is on both. BUT. LeBron is notorious for short term deals with a player option as both a way to maximize his money and to tell the team “I’m not staying unless you do what I want.”
Once you have signed LeBron, you have to keep him happy until he leaves.
Like Epic said above, the Lakers appeased him because they thought they could still win and essentially they realized they were no longer contenders when it was too late, and now they're stuck.
quote:You can't when they were contenders, you can once they were no longer contenders. That was last season, so signing Lebron to the extension this past offseason was really dumb IF you still planned to let him call the shots.
Blame Jeannie Buss and Rob Pelinka for letting him in the door but you can’t blame them too much for stupid shite done to cater to his demands.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:07 am to shel311
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Frankly, it appears everyone is okay riding out this season until they can all break from each other. The soonest a break can happen is this summer because of the extension James signed and no one seems to think he’ll push that hard for a trade, but no one appears all that confident in the Lakers-James relationship continuing and if it does, it doesn’t appear to have anything to do with basketball.
If I had to isolate and explain why everything has gone wrong with the Lakers, I’d start with that. No one involved seems very focused on basketball. Pelinka and everyone else in Buss’ infamous inner circle (through their inaction) appear focused on self-preservation above all else. James seems focused on amassing as much wealth as he can -- with the Lakers helping make that happen -- so he can buy a franchise once his career is over.
But with no one prioritizing fixing what’s ailed the Lakers, the Lakers will continue to ail. So we’ll go through yet another sad, disappointing season and watch a product everyone responsible for it knows is subpar. Lakers exceptionalism at this point is defined by exceptional ineptitude no one gets held accountable for because of their Lakers roots.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:22 am to cgrand
IF Bron really wants to own his legacy, he will fake an injury, blame it on someone else, and say he needs to sit the rest of the year to rest.
Most disliked player ever.
Most disliked player ever.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:24 am to cgrand
Who is that from?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:30 am to Mad Scientist26
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That’s why I have a ton of respect for Giannis and Embiid. At least they try to stick with it and see it through.
So two foreign guys compared to
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That’s the problem when his generation of NBA stars (Chris Paul, AD, Harden, and Durant) they leave at the drop of adversity.
a group of entitled Americans from big cities.
It's almost like our management/scouting is doing something bringing in a bunch of Euro guys and small hometown US guys. How lucky are we that the consensus number 1 fits our mold perfectly.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:31 am to shel311
SBN lakers blog
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:32 am to The Pirate King
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He handpicked this team how many times does he get to fail as a GM and ruin franchises before he realizes he’s the problem?
He will never realize it. All his life shite was handed to him because he was good at playing a child’s game. People like that can’t exist in the adult world because their mental make up won’t allow it. In his mind, has elevated himself to a status no one else can reach.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:09 am to Broski
I don't know if I necessarily agree with the "he's a shell" comments. Obviously at 38 he's not the player he was at 28, but he's not a shell. If you were to talk about the best players in the league, I think he's still fairly high up that list. 28, 8, and 7 on 50% from the field, and while his motor runs a bit hot and cold (like it always has), he's still in totality a plus defender.
I think the much bigger issue is, some through his own faults, like others have mentioned, is the NBA is in a really good spot right now with talent across the league. He can't take a supporting cast of Jimmy's and Joe's and run them to the Conference finals every year like he did with those Cleveland teams.
I mean Austin Reaves is second on the Lakers in total minutes. Reaves is a decent player, but he shouldn't be second in minutes for any team. Lonnie Walker is 3rd, much less decent player, but again, definitely shouldn't be 3rd in minutes for any team.
I think the much bigger issue is, some through his own faults, like others have mentioned, is the NBA is in a really good spot right now with talent across the league. He can't take a supporting cast of Jimmy's and Joe's and run them to the Conference finals every year like he did with those Cleveland teams.
I mean Austin Reaves is second on the Lakers in total minutes. Reaves is a decent player, but he shouldn't be second in minutes for any team. Lonnie Walker is 3rd, much less decent player, but again, definitely shouldn't be 3rd in minutes for any team.
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