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re: Little respect for Willie? Bf…
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:54 am to VOR
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:54 am to VOR
I think that we are in a favorable part of the schedule and we are winning games we should win. Let’s see where we are and how we feel about Willie in a couple of weeks when the schedule turns more unfavorable.
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Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:14 am to Broski
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A top 3 seed would basically mean we're the 1 seed considering how close those 3 are right now.
we have lost over 10 games after leading by at least 10 points, at some point, in the game....
if we win those games, we have the same record, or very close to it, as the Celtics
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:55 am to VOR
His 4th quarter coaching is extremely suspect but i will say, this has been one of the most enjoyable season. When they are hitting on all cylinders, this team is as fun to watch as the CP3/West/TC teams (and we are better).
Posted on 3/12/24 at 9:15 am to JGTiger
I'd give him a B+ for this year. He's blown some easy games. Off the top of my head, both Utah losses, both Memphis losses, and both Bulls loses.
His center rotations are worrying me. He's been so reluctant to play JV lately and I dont think Larry is a good 30MPG option in the playoffs but i see willie playing him that much
His center rotations are worrying me. He's been so reluctant to play JV lately and I dont think Larry is a good 30MPG option in the playoffs but i see willie playing him that much
Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:13 am to Broski
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Again... said very flippantly with no data to back that up.
There have been at least 6-8 games that were lost based off of questionable coaching decisions or players going into witness protection late in the game. Obviously we’re not the only ones, but odds would be better of locking up a top 4 seed. I still think we sneak into 4 spot and Minny drops to 5.
With that being said, coaching needs its flowers if the do get 50 wins this year.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 10:50 am to shel311
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I don't think there's any exact science or data on "games lost that you should have won" but I'd start with a league worst winning percentage in games decided by 3 points or less. We're 1 of only 2 teams with only 1 win of 3 points or less, the other being the Pistons. Or the fact that we have the 3rd worst Net rating in the clutch, only ahead of the Pistons and Wizards. You could argue it's a player and fit type problem and there may even be some truth to that, but with a team this good to be hovering around 2 teams that are a combined 21-106 in the clutch, I have to think some of that will fall on coaching as well. How many more wins would we have if we were league avg there? Or just 10th worst even?
I would argue this is the bigger issue than Willie. Zion’s game is not built for crunch time. No coach is magically going to improve his ball handling and lack of shooting in the last few minutes of games. BI melts in crunch time more often than not as well.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 5:00 pm to Broski
People seem to be clairvoyant.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:29 am to unctiger4
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Zion’s game is not built for crunch time. No coach is magically going to improve his ball handling and lack of shooting in the last few minutes of games. BI melts in crunch time more often than not as well.
Funny because I remember last year Zion taking over wolves and suns game in crunch time. Zion basically won us our only win in crunch time against the spurs. BI previously has hit game winners. This lack of ball handling is such a bad take- Zion on the ball is one of the best things on the team and we never go to it in crunch time- thats on Willie. Instead we let BI force a fadeway instead of actually drawing up a scheme to better utilize both players. Both players need to be better when its a close game but coaching has a lot to do with that as well.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:59 am to MrJimBeam
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Let’s just hope that’s continued growth as a young coach
He has a long, long way to go before he's Spoelstra
Posted on 3/13/24 at 7:59 am to Broski
Well said, Brosk
Posted on 3/13/24 at 10:58 am to Pels_Yaz
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Funny because I remember last year Zion taking over wolves and suns game in crunch time. Zion basically won us our only win in crunch time against the spurs.
Zion is an elite talent so yeah he’s always going to have specific moments you can point out that make you think he’s finally put it all together. But against good teams, more often than not, he seems to struggle in crunch time. Both offensively and defensively.
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BI previously has hit game winners.
Did not know this. He must be great in crunch time then.
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This lack of ball handling is such a bad take- Zion on the ball is one of the best things on the team and we never go to it in crunch time- thats on Willie.
He has mediocre handles. Idk what’s controversial about that. He looks great on one drive and then dribbles it off his foot on another.
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Both players need to be better when its a close game but coaching has a lot to do with that as well.
So after all that you basically agree with me
Posted on 3/13/24 at 11:33 am to unctiger4
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Zion is an elite talent so yeah he’s always going to have specific moments you can point out that make you think he’s finally put it all together. But against good teams, more often than not, he seems to struggle in crunch time. Both offensively and defensively.
This is such a general statement with absolutely no informational backing specifically to Zion.
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Did not know this. He must be great in crunch time then.
No you’re making a generalized statement from what I said. You act like BI has no ability to perform in crunch time when he has before. You overally generalized this to mean hes great in crunch time.
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He has mediocre handles. Idk what’s controversial about that. He looks great on one drive and then dribbles it off his foot on another.
Again a random arse take with no informational backing. Zion averages as many or less turnovers than some of the biggest stars in league. But you see him make a turnover and act like he has mediocre handles. Whats controversial is- its not true- its just crap you’re making up. If its true show that he turns over the ball more than the average star that his same usage. You won’t be able to because its not true.
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So after all that you basically agree with me
No after all that your reading comprehension sucks just as bad as your takes. Your whole post concentrated on putting this on players and not really on Willie. Yes- players need to be better but you’re taking the responsibility off coaching while I’m saying the issues in crunch time are a major reflection of Willies coaching and not just the players.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 3:24 pm to Pels_Yaz
Don’t get so upset baw it’s just basketball. I think both the players and Willie are to blame, but it’s a player driven league. A good coach usually only helps around the fringes unless he’s truly an elite guy like Pop.
And yeah everything we’ve both said is a generality lol. Get off the high horse.
And yeah everything we’ve both said is a generality lol. Get off the high horse.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 3:31 pm to unctiger4
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Don’t get so upset baw it’s just basketball. I think both the players and Willie are to blame, but it’s a player driven league. A good coach usually only helps around the fringes unless he’s truly an elite guy like Pop. And yeah everything we’ve both said is a generality lol. Get off the high horse.
Im not upset. I dont mind arguments but you’re just making dumb generalizations without any backing. I’m countering your arguments and told you Zion has as much or less turnovers than most stars with the same usage. Which is a fact- not just a generalization.
A good coach does more than that. Its silly to think coaching doesn’t matter regardless if its a players league- its a statement only someone who hasn’t actually played the sport on a team would say.
I’ll get off my high horse once you stop posting generalities out of your arse and then acting like its a fact.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 4:03 pm to Pels_Yaz
I've done my fair share of partaking in it, but at this point, I'm just over finding out who is to blame for *checks notes* having this team on pace for 50 wins.
We all just need to enjoy this for what it is because as we've all should've learned in 07/08 and 17/18 seasons, this can all go to shite the next year with this franchise.
We all just need to enjoy this for what it is because as we've all should've learned in 07/08 and 17/18 seasons, this can all go to shite the next year with this franchise.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 4:40 pm to Pels_Yaz
In fairness, turnovers aren't really a good way to tell if a dude has good handles
Steph has a higher career turnover rate than Zion. Steph probably has the best handles in the NBA, other than Kyrie.
Zion does make nice moves with the dribble but his handle overall us pretty poor. I don't know that there's a player in the NBA, Jaylen Brown included, that loses control of his dribble more than Zion.
Steph has a higher career turnover rate than Zion. Steph probably has the best handles in the NBA, other than Kyrie.
Zion does make nice moves with the dribble but his handle overall us pretty poor. I don't know that there's a player in the NBA, Jaylen Brown included, that loses control of his dribble more than Zion.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 5:07 pm to Broski
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We all just need to enjoy this for what it is because as we've all should've learned in 07/08 and 17/18 seasons, this can all go to shite the next year with this franchise.
I really hope for once this is the start of some consistency and a rise of continous productive seasons and not just another lucky once a decade run. If this just some lucky season that ends in a competitive first or second round loss- man that would be disappointing.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 5:11 pm to shel311
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Steph has a higher career turnover rate than Zion. Steph probably has the best handles in the NBA, other than Kyrie.
I mean to be fair those are actual point guards. I know hes “point” Zion but I would never want to compare him to those type of guys. He has his turnover issues to me just like any other star. I sometimes think it gets a bit overblown though mainly because of the hes out of shape narrative. I mean for a guy whos basically a 280 pound tank- I think his handles are fine.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 5:20 pm to shel311
I’d compare Zion to LeBron, handle and turnover wise. I see LeBron fumbling with the ball all the time. They can both hone it in for a hard drive to the rim
Posted on 3/13/24 at 5:27 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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I’d compare Zion to LeBron, handle and turnover wise. I see LeBron fumbling with the ball all the time. They can both hone it in for a hard drive to the rim
I would also compare Zion to Giannis as well who also can have issues sometimes. Regardless the positives honestly of them playing point vastly outweigh the mishandling here or there.
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