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re: NBA Draft News
Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:04 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:04 pm to supe12sta12z
Ahh okay gotcha my bad
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Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:18 am to Macintosh
Back to the draft... Looks like Lively cancelled his workout with the Warriors. If that's any indication, looks like we were the last team to meet with him.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:31 am to supe12sta12z
Interesting. I can see us making a promise and him thinking it's the best spot for him.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
Doesn’t necessarily mean us but if the belief by his camp is that he will be a lottery pick, he doesn’t want to keep doing workouts and get hurt.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 4:22 pm to teke184
Heard through the grapevine that the Lakers have promised him. Coincides with the fact he's signed with Klutch. Plus, we are still working out players this week (Maxwell Lewis).
Posted on 6/8/23 at 5:33 pm to Macintosh
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I’m just not high on lively. Wasn’t much of a rebounder, didn’t shoot (don’t care about workout shot), not much of a passer. He’s just big and can block shots.
I just think two of our biggest weaknesses are not having a big who can switch onto smaller guards and rim protection. Lively can switch and averages 4.7 blocks every 40 minutes.
He could be a better rebounder, but again, he only averaged 20 mpg in college. Per 40 is 10.5, add a little coaching and he could be a regular double digit rebound guy.
Also, I wouldn't be drafting him to be a passer. A big who can pass is a plus, but not a requirement
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:31 pm to Balsamic_duck
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quote:Is he a "wing". I see him as more of a PF/SmallBall Center type
He's not a wing. Think julius randle. They are about the same size, GG might be a little bigger
He’s a wing who can play the 4 the same way Trey Murphy is a wing who can play the 4. The only difference is that GG Jackson is not even close to the shooter Trey is…which kinda defeats the purpose of playing a lanky wing at the 4 to begin with.
The Julius Randle comparison is strange. Randle is a true big because he’s built like a brick shithouse and can get to the rim, elite rebounder, etc. Jackson plays much more like a wing- much more midrange, not as good of a rebounder. 38% from the field, 42% from 2. There’s talent there for sure, but I think he’s a long way off. Probably a G league player for us in 2023 if we were to take him.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:41 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I’ll be honest. Lively sounds pretty much exactly like Jaxson Hayes except being much less offensively skilled.
I get we probably have to move on from Hayes. Just illustrating that this isn’t a slam dunk pick. Depends on his character and if the team will give him consistent playing time to develop instead of being expected to be perfect as a 18-20 year old skinny Big in the nba.
I get we probably have to move on from Hayes. Just illustrating that this isn’t a slam dunk pick. Depends on his character and if the team will give him consistent playing time to develop instead of being expected to be perfect as a 18-20 year old skinny Big in the nba.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:46 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Getting Lively is basically like resetting the button on Jaxson Hayes. I’m not to crazy about it but if there’s no shooter available at the time then I’m okay with it.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:55 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Opposites really. Hayes is more athletic, faster, bouncier, much better hands, better coordination and touch on offense. shite IQ and shys away from contact on defense. Also doesn't have a clue on how to anchor a defense at the center position.
Lively on the other hand is athletic for his size but he isn't elite like Hayes. Lively doesn't have good touch around the basket and is reluctant to look for his shot unless he's diving to the basket or in the dunker's spot. He can't generate his own offense and isn't going to be a threat to take you off the dribble.
Now his strength is in the defensive side of the ball. He has really good IQ, timing, and ability to cover space down low. He can still erase shots when he gets beat. He uses his length well and is a lot more physical than Hayes and takes contact much better. He can rotate on the ball handler can still have the ability to cover the paint if a dump off is made. He's got elite rim protection ability.
If there's a knock on his defense, it is that he can be foul prone.
Overall Hayes is an amazing idea that never developed and Lively has a lower ceiling but with a much higher floor on defense.
Lively on the other hand is athletic for his size but he isn't elite like Hayes. Lively doesn't have good touch around the basket and is reluctant to look for his shot unless he's diving to the basket or in the dunker's spot. He can't generate his own offense and isn't going to be a threat to take you off the dribble.
Now his strength is in the defensive side of the ball. He has really good IQ, timing, and ability to cover space down low. He can still erase shots when he gets beat. He uses his length well and is a lot more physical than Hayes and takes contact much better. He can rotate on the ball handler can still have the ability to cover the paint if a dump off is made. He's got elite rim protection ability.
If there's a knock on his defense, it is that he can be foul prone.
Overall Hayes is an amazing idea that never developed and Lively has a lower ceiling but with a much higher floor on defense.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 10:56 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:The only similarity is they are both athletic skinny black guys. Lively was the #1 recruit in the country, not a raw player who was just learning the game. Hopefully, if we draft Lively, he has a solid BBIQ unlike Hayes.
Getting Lively is basically like resetting the button on Jaxson Hayes. I’m not to crazy about it but if there’s no shooter available at the time then I’m okay with it.
Posted on 6/8/23 at 11:23 pm to supe12sta12z
Appreciate the breakdown.
The way you describe Lively sounds a bit like Nic Claxton’s game.
Which would be good in theory for us, minus spacing and ft shooting.
The way you describe Lively sounds a bit like Nic Claxton’s game.
Which would be good in theory for us, minus spacing and ft shooting.
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:20 am to 3PieceSpicy
Aside from being tall and having dumb hair, there is little Hayes and Lively share in common.
Hayes started playing basketball his junior year in high school and never learned how to play the game on either side of the ball. He wants to be a tight end, he just got too big to do it anymore his junior year in high school.
Lively has really good defensive skills and has dedicated his life to basketball. Lively was the #2 ranked player out of high school, Hayes was 129th.
Not comparable at all. I also said I only want him because he can protect the rim and switch onto smaller players, which should tell you he isn’t running back Jaxson Hayes.
Hayes started playing basketball his junior year in high school and never learned how to play the game on either side of the ball. He wants to be a tight end, he just got too big to do it anymore his junior year in high school.
Lively has really good defensive skills and has dedicated his life to basketball. Lively was the #2 ranked player out of high school, Hayes was 129th.
Not comparable at all. I also said I only want him because he can protect the rim and switch onto smaller players, which should tell you he isn’t running back Jaxson Hayes.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 4:32 am
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:43 am to 3PieceSpicy
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CC’s The way you describe Lively sounds a bit like Nic Claxton’s game.
I like this one though. I used Claxton as a comp to a buddy the other day. Which I think is about as good as we could hope for tbh.
I think our best bet is a guy who can do 2 or 3 things well which the team does poorly. We shouldn’t be looking for a potential future star caliber player at #14, there aren’t many that exist. Plus with where the team stands Small, roster improvements and both stars play 70% of the games and at worst we’re hosting a first round series
Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:06 am to Macintosh
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I’m just not high on lively. Wasn’t much of a rebounder,
Worth noting here that Dereck Lively's 12.4% offensive rebounding rate was 77th in the country. Defensive rebounding rate was not great at 400th, but he did play a considerable amount of minutes with another 7 footer in Filipowski who vacuumed up a lot of defensive boards.
Duke had the 4th best rebound rate in the country while he was there. He may not be an elite rebounder like a Jalen Duren (whew that guy is a stud), but I think he can be at least average to solid at the NBA level if his defensive instincts continue to grow and he learns when to sell out for a block vs just contest and grab the board (something Jaxson has yet to learn).
Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:10 am to SCLSUMuddogs
I hate that every major prospect is a freshman or under 20 years old. It's great to get young talent, but they just can't contribute.
Does anyone really expect anything from Daniels next year? He is immensely talented, but he's not developed and he's not going to get better playing less than 15mpg, especially in spurts.
This whole system is flawed. I want semi-finished players that can contribute immediately, like Jones, Murphy and Alvarado. Maybe they don't have the upside, but we get something out of them.
This draft is horrible in that aspect. No upperclassmen big men. Where we are picking, I think I'd rather trade out. It's going to be a project if not..
Does anyone really expect anything from Daniels next year? He is immensely talented, but he's not developed and he's not going to get better playing less than 15mpg, especially in spurts.
This whole system is flawed. I want semi-finished players that can contribute immediately, like Jones, Murphy and Alvarado. Maybe they don't have the upside, but we get something out of them.
This draft is horrible in that aspect. No upperclassmen big men. Where we are picking, I think I'd rather trade out. It's going to be a project if not..
Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:12 am to DallasTiger45
BTW, latest mocks I've seen have us taking Jalen Hood-Schifino (ESPN+ so no link) and Nick Smith Jr (Bleacher Report linked below)
I've never seen Hood-Schifino play, so no idea what to think of that. Nick Smith Jr. probably replaces Josh Richardson's spot in the rotation with more of tilt from defense to offense. I don't hate the idea of taking a guard if they're BPA because we need a little more offensive pop off the bench and CJ is not a long term solution.
In the bleacher report mock we get a pretty crappy runout in front of us- Dick/Hendricks/Coulibaly/Lively/Cason Wallace from 9 - 13 are probably all better players who this board likes more than Smith.
Bleacher Report Mock
I've never seen Hood-Schifino play, so no idea what to think of that. Nick Smith Jr. probably replaces Josh Richardson's spot in the rotation with more of tilt from defense to offense. I don't hate the idea of taking a guard if they're BPA because we need a little more offensive pop off the bench and CJ is not a long term solution.
In the bleacher report mock we get a pretty crappy runout in front of us- Dick/Hendricks/Coulibaly/Lively/Cason Wallace from 9 - 13 are probably all better players who this board likes more than Smith.
Bleacher Report Mock
Posted on 6/9/23 at 8:40 am to brmark70816
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Does anyone really expect anything from Daniels next year? He is immensely talented, but he's not developed and he's not going to get better playing less than 15mpg, especially in spurts.
If he's going to be any good, then yeah, you should expect him to be at a minimum a main role player.
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This whole system is flawed. I want semi-finished players that can contribute immediately, like Jones, Murphy and Alvarado. Maybe they don't have the upside, but we get something out of them.
This draft is horrible in that aspect.
from a fan perspective, i would 100% agree. I'd prefer it be like baseball where if you want to go pro after high school then go right ahead, but if you decide to go to college you have to stay there for at least 2 years. I think that would be better for both the NBA and college.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 11:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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NBA Finals trade: The Denver Nuggets are acquiring the least favorable of Oklahoma City's first-round picks in 2024, the 37th pick in the 2023 draft and 2024 second-round pick for a protected 2029 first-round, sources tell ESPN
-Woj
This is very interesting and could apply to how teams try to sustain and extend their window to keep a championship team. Personally I love the move. And it should be the path we take once we get past the hump.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 12:02 pm to supe12sta12z
I think Lively or Hendricks(would need to trade up) could really give us that rim protection we are missing.
Also, if Wemby is what we all think he will be teams are all going to want to have guys with height / length that they can put on Wemby. In the 00's the whole league carried 2-3 7' stiffs on their bench bc of Shaq.
Also, if Wemby is what we all think he will be teams are all going to want to have guys with height / length that they can put on Wemby. In the 00's the whole league carried 2-3 7' stiffs on their bench bc of Shaq.
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