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re: No matter how good Queen plays... and he is playing really good...
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Oh so you're allowed to say this like it's a fact, but it's all bullshite when anyone talks
Actually Joe Dumars said it directly that they have started calling teams from 9th pick, so it could be taken more seriously than any anonymous report.
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:31 pm to BGpels
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Actually Joe Dumars said it directly that they have started calling teams from 9th pick, so it could be taken more seriously than any anonymous report.
Joe Dumars is an idiot who was blasted by every person with a functioning brain in the media, and even by those without a brain. Of course he came out and tried to make himself not look as stupid as he was.
go ahead and ignore the comparable trades from recently though. Just forget you read all of that.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:37 pm to BGpels
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Actually Joe Dumars said it directly that they have started calling teams from 9th pick, so it could be taken more seriously than any anonymous report.
We actually have idiots in here who think that Dumars suddenly decided that he wanted Derik Queen at #13 and made no offers to any prior teams because he just did it on a whim.
A lot of our posters lack elementary school level common sense.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:46 pm to GOP_Tiger
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GOP_Tiger
I'm convinced you are Dumars.
Your lack of understanding of how this all works would make a lot of sense.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:50 pm to GOP_Tiger
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We actually have idiots in here who think that Dumars suddenly decided that he wanted Derik Queen at #13 and made no offers to any prior teams because he just did it on a whim.
What do you think this proves, and who is saying this? There are plenty of teams that have possible trades lined up with multiple teams on draft night to move up. That is common knowledge. You think these trades manifest from nothing and happen in a matter of minutes? There was always some framework already discussed before the day of the draft. Everyone knew we wanted to move up. Some teams aren't interested in giving up a top 10 pick certain years even if the deal is great.
Go ahead and ignore the comparable draft night trades i posted. Just pretend you didn't read it.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
Let’s play this scenario.
If the hawks rejected the trade, draft Queen and we get a Reed Sheppard next year is that a good move?
If the hawks rejected the trade, draft Queen and we get a Reed Sheppard next year is that a good move?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 5:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Joe Dumars is an idiot who was blasted by every person with a functioning brain in the media, and even by those without a brain. Of course he came out and tried to make himself not look as stupid as he was.
He might be an idiot, but he has achieved way more in his life than you and all those geniuses from the media, so thus that make you also an idiot?
And if he was lying why none of the teams from 9 till 12 denied that they received the very same offer?
At the end of the day it's completely meaningless to keep bringing up the no protection part on a daily basis in multiple threads
Posted on 12/10/25 at 5:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Joe Dumars is an idiot who was blasted by every person with a functioning brain in the media, and even by those without a brain. Of course he came out and tried to make himself not look as stupid as he was.
He might be an idiot, but he has achieved way more in his life than you and all those geniuses from the media, so thus that make you also an idiot?
And if he was lying why none of the teams from 9 till 12 denied that they received the very same offer?
At the end of the day it's completely meaningless to keep bringing up the no protection part on a daily basis in multiple threads. Get over it and hope that both Fears and Queen will keep developing, because it's clear we are building around them.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:01 pm to BGpels
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but he has achieved way more in his life than you and all those geniuses from the media, so thus that make you also an idiot?
This is the dumbest thing said in this thread.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:07 pm to Adam Banks
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If the hawks rejected the trade, draft Queen and we get a Reed Sheppard next year is that a good move?
What if he doesn’t trade the Pacers pick and it falls outside the top 5 and we draft Jaylen Brown and Tatum the same draft?
Posted on 12/10/25 at 7:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 12/10/25 at 8:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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didn't say they would have (even though I do think they would have).
That is the whole debate I am having with someone else. You jumped in to hijack, making points that did not address my point at all.
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doesn't? tell me what we're allowed to debate then.
Can I get an answer to what I asked before? Can we focus on the primary point of the OP and the people I responded to?
Why did you jump in if you didn't want to discuss it?
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You god damn right we overpaid.
YOU DON'T MAKE THAT OFFER WHEN YOU'RE THE PELICANS KNOWING IT'S EXTREMELY LIKELY YOU AREN'T MAKING THE PLAYOFFS!
Yes and maybe.
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so you're allowed to say this like it's a fact, but it's all bullshite when anyone talks about how shocked ATL was for double and triple checking our ridiculous of
I have seen confirmed reports we contacted multiple teams. I have never seen that debated.
The Hawks story is coming directly from them, and I don't think rings true. Dumars and our front office haven't objected or countered. But I think there are details that they aren't sharing about the story. I don't think it makes sense linearly.
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was a stupid fricking trade. Always will be, and has absolutely nothign to do with Derik Queen.
That is your opinion and it's a very popular one. That's not an original statement. But, as Queen was the target, it has a lot to do with him.
The person that knows this the best is Queen. He is carrying the weight of that trade. It's not fair, and they have tried to take the burden of him. But he reads all the stories as well. So the more you pile on, the more you attack him. That's just kind of how it goes. That's why many, like myself, try to see the bright side of it and let it go.
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Let me help you, and the rest of you morons trying to defend it
I appreciate you doing some research and trying to bring logic to NBA trades. But it's not as simple or direct as the NFL draft and value conversions. It's more fluid and returns vary greatly. I just gave the Gizzlies and Blazers trade before us for what most would believe is less value. I'm sure you can find many more examples.
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But sure, go ahead and keep telling yourself and the other idiots defending this trade that we had to send a unprotected 1st to make this trade happen
I never said that. But it is what we did to make it happen. I've said before that we might have got it done with a protected pick and other assets. I don't know. But as a Pelican homer, and a casual Atlanta fan (cause I live here), I wouldn't have moved back for a top 5 or 10 protected pick. What is the benefit? If they think we are going to suck, when would that pick even convey? 2027 or 28, and it's never top 5 or 10? What is the value of that? Sell me on that trade..
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
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just amazes me how people can't grasp the concept of the stupidity of the trade and how it has absolutely nothing to do with how good or bad Derrick Queen is or will be
I hear you. It’s really mind boggling why some people will go to every effort to defend the indefensible.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:04 am to BGpels
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At the end of the day it's completely meaningless to keep bringing up the no protection part on a daily basis in multiple threads
No it isn't.
Even if we were having a great season and were going to be a playin or playoff team, it will still be a stupid arse trade. A stupid arse trade that still has nothing to do with how good or bad Derik Queen is.
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He might be an idiot, but he has achieved way more in his life than you and all those geniuses from the media, so thus that make you also an idiot?
Ok bud.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 7:41 am to brmark70816
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Can I get an answer to what I asked before? Can we focus on the primary point of the OP and the people I responded to?
I'm not sure what you asked, but OP has said what i've said.
How good Derick Queen turns out has nothing to do with this trade.
I was happy we traded up for him on draft night. I was happy we got him. And I'm excited about the future with him as a Pelican.
It's still a unbelievably stupid trade though.
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I have seen confirmed reports we contacted multiple teams. I have never seen that debated.
Some teams just aren't interested in trading down, or trading away a first round pick certain years, doesn't matter what you offer them.
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That's not an original statement. But, as Queen was the target, it has a lot to do with him.
It just doesn't. The argument is about the value of the trade based on similar trades in the very recent past. It has nothing to do with Queen.
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The person that knows this the best is Queen. He is carrying the weight of that trade. It's not fair, and they have tried to take the burden of him. But he reads all the stories as well.
Unfortunately i agree, and that's not his fault, and it sucks for him.
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hat's why many, like myself, try to see the bright side of it and let it go.
OH i see the bright side of it. I'll say it again. I was very happy we traded up to get him, just extremely pissed off once i realized the initial reports weren't a mistake and we were actually giving up an unprotected pick. I'm still happy we have Queen, but i'm not going to forgive an idiot GM for doing something reckless.
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I appreciate you doing some research and trying to bring logic to NBA trades.
Thank you. So after seeing that, you still think that it was absolutely necessary to trade an unprotected pick? You really think the Hawks said no if we offered top 4 protected, even though the precedent would have been for us to say lottery protected?
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But it's not as simple or direct as the NFL draft and value conversions. It's more fluid and returns vary greatly.
what? this isnt' the nfl. nothing i said had any comparison at all to the nfl draft.
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I just gave the Gizzlies and Blazers trade before us for what most would believe is less value. I'm sure you can find many more examples.
I just found exact examples of the #13 pick.
Yes of course the Blazers trade before us was for less value, B/C WE DIDN'T NEED TO GIVE UP AN UNPROTECTED PICK TO MAKE THIS TRADE. But sure, tell me how all these teams from 9-12 passed on us offering them an unprotected 1st for next year.
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I never said that. But it is what we did to make it happen. I've said before that we might have got it done with a protected pick and other assets. I don't know. But as a Pelican homer, and a casual Atlanta fan (cause I live here), I wouldn't have moved back for a top 5 or 10 protected pick. What is the benefit? If they think we are going to suck, when would that pick even convey? 2027 or 28, and it's never top 5 or 10? What is the value of that? Sell me on that trade..
I would completely agree that if we said lottery protected they likely would have said exactly what you just said, when is that pick goign to convey. But it sounds like we didn't even have that conversation with them.
The Wizards protected 1st was traded twice for the #13 pick. They suck. The protections were top 12, top 10, then top 8, and it's still unlikely to convey. Saying top 4 protected from us is a reasonable ask, and you'd think the majority of teams would expect us to say that in any trade and accept that.
Remember that OKC traded away 3 heavily protected lottery picks for the #11 pick. Those three 1sts will end up being two firsts in the 20's from that trade.
We traded away #23, a chance at 1-10 this year, and another sure 1st round pick next year that isnt' going to convey to anything else. What we gave up is just a ridiculous overpay that was unprecedented.
I would not be upset if we had said top 4 protected and we ended up with the 5th pick. And i say that b/c i really liked Queen and would have been fine with that risk. I also would have hoped we wouldn't have been that crappy this year.
We traded to get the #13 pick, and we traded away an almost certain 1st round pick that will be better than #13, and that's before this disaster of a season even started. It makes no sense. We gave away the better pick, and then we gave away two more 1st round picks to go with it. It's just a remarkably stupid trade.
and i say that as someone who is fine overpaying sometimes. Sometimes you have to, but in this instance it's just such a stupid move to make considering what you gave up to get a pick that has never been worth that much. There is an allstar in the top 3 picks of every single nba draft, sometimes 2.Trading away that potential when you don't have to should be a fireable offense. And it doesn't matter if Queen ends up being an MVP of the league, it will always be an unbelievably stupid trade where we gave up way too much.
and i say all that and Queen is pretty much the only reason i have watched any game this season, and i'm still happy we got him.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:15 am to TeddyPadillac
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No it isn't.
Even if we were having a great season and were going to be a playin or playoff team, it will still be a stupid arse trade. A stupid arse trade that still has nothing to do with how good or bad Derik Queen is
Please enlighten me what is the meaning to bring it every day? The trade is done, so what exactly will change if someone keeps writing what a stupid trade it was and how we don't have a pick for this great draft class.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 9:38 am to BGpels
you're right. it is done and nothing can change that. But it's going to be brought up for the next year, at least. That's what happens when you do something this stupid.
What's the point of bringing up the fact that Griff drafted Anthony Bennett? What's done is done.
What's the point of reminding people that Griff traded away a 1st round pick to sign a free agent in Devonte Graham (then had to give away every 2nd round pick we had to get rid of him), while giving away FA Lonzo for expiring's and a 2nd in the same offseason? What's done is done.
What's the point of reminding people that Griff traded away 1sts to get a center that couldn't shoot, then gave away assets to get rid of him, only to trade away 1sts to get another center that couldnt' shoot, as if that is the right type of player to pair with Zion?
It's to remind people of their stupid arse decisions so we don't keep moving forward with the same dumbasses making the same stupid arse mistakes and holding this franchise back. That's what can change. You change GM's.
Look, everyone is entitled to make mistakes, and maybe Dumars moves forward with his vision for this team and we end up being a good team in the near future and he's a great GM, and i hope that happens, but you keep receipts on dumbassery b/c when more dumbassery happens, you pile up all the dumbassery as proof as to why you have to move on from the dumbass.
I did not like Griff from the get go, and we held onto that idiot far too long after a ton of mistakes he made trying to build a contender with a gigantic treasure chest of assets.
I don't have high hopes for Dumars either, but that also doesn't mean i want him to fail. I would love for him to help turn this franchise into something special, and i'll root for him to do so, but that doesn't change my opinion that what he did with that trade was stupid.
What's the point of bringing up the fact that Griff drafted Anthony Bennett? What's done is done.
What's the point of reminding people that Griff traded away a 1st round pick to sign a free agent in Devonte Graham (then had to give away every 2nd round pick we had to get rid of him), while giving away FA Lonzo for expiring's and a 2nd in the same offseason? What's done is done.
What's the point of reminding people that Griff traded away 1sts to get a center that couldn't shoot, then gave away assets to get rid of him, only to trade away 1sts to get another center that couldnt' shoot, as if that is the right type of player to pair with Zion?
It's to remind people of their stupid arse decisions so we don't keep moving forward with the same dumbasses making the same stupid arse mistakes and holding this franchise back. That's what can change. You change GM's.
Look, everyone is entitled to make mistakes, and maybe Dumars moves forward with his vision for this team and we end up being a good team in the near future and he's a great GM, and i hope that happens, but you keep receipts on dumbassery b/c when more dumbassery happens, you pile up all the dumbassery as proof as to why you have to move on from the dumbass.
I did not like Griff from the get go, and we held onto that idiot far too long after a ton of mistakes he made trying to build a contender with a gigantic treasure chest of assets.
I don't have high hopes for Dumars either, but that also doesn't mean i want him to fail. I would love for him to help turn this franchise into something special, and i'll root for him to do so, but that doesn't change my opinion that what he did with that trade was stupid.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 5:56 pm to Broski
Maybe he can get our first back from Atlanta by giving them Zion
This post was edited on 12/11/25 at 5:57 pm
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