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re: Pelicans Interviewed Prospects
Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:14 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:14 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Bottom line, the Pels do NOT need more 3-pt shooting next year. We will have plenty with CJ, Trey, BI (once he returns to his normal 3-pt game he had the first 2 years he was in NO)...and even Herb, who is gonna shoot 36% or so next year.
One thing that has never been uttered by any true pelicans fan, “We have plenty of 3pt shooting.”
You’re reasoning being that we have one proven shooter on the roster also makes me question everything you bring up. CJ McCollum is the only proven lock down shooter on this roster. To say anything else is straight conjecture that can’t be backed up with numbers. The other guys you mentioned:
Trey is a rookie
Herb is a rookie
BI shot 32.7% from deep last year
We can’t rely on those 3 being lock down shooters
ETA: Bottom line, the guy we select has to be able to hit threes. It's not even a question to consider at this point. He doesn't have to shoot the lights out, but we should expect that our selection hits at least 37% of his attempts from beyond.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 2:18 pm
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:35 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
The Pelicans will always need more three point shooting is Zion is on the roster. He and BI operate exclusively inside the arc and are constantly double teamed. The ideal roster makeup would be to surround them with nothing but three point shooters so that teams could not double them.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:48 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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JMO...we will move up to at least being an average 3-pt shooting team next year, probably above average...WITHOUT adding a single "shooter" to what we already have. We'll have a problem area next year...but it will NOT be on 3-pt shooting.
Come on man. When you're horrendous at something, "run it back" is not the best thing to do.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:49 pm to Kerchek
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I'd be curious to see how many sub-60% ft shooters improve to become decent.
IDK, but we have several current and recently former Pelicans that broadly fit that category.
Guys like Lonzo, Zion, Herb, and BI that all improved as FT shooters here.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:56 pm to Bronc
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IDK, but we have several current and recently former Pelicans that broadly fit that category.
Guys like Lonzo, Zion, Herb, and BI that all improved as FT shooters here.
I was taking it he meant from college to their RC year because it was in response to being a %59 FT shooter to being a closer in the playoffs one year later. It wasn't until Ingrams 4th year that he averaged higher than his college FT%. 4th year for Lonzo as well.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 3:17 pm to saints5021
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The Pelicans will always need more three point shooting is Zion is on the roster. He and BI operate exclusively inside the arc and are constantly double teamed.
I think we must just be looking at different stats. True that Zion takes only 3% of his shots from 3...but a quick glance sez BI took 35% of his shots from 3-pt range his 1st two years with the Pels and shot 39% from 3 for those 2 years. That's pretty solid and he even shot around 42% on C&S 3s for those 2 years.Then, last year, for reasons that are fairly obvious...he only shot 23% of his shots from 3 and hit 32%.
Bottom line...BI is a very solid 3-pt shooter and like all our other players shooting a 3 next year...should greatly benefit from Zion's return which will lead to many more C&S 3s. Our 3-pt game, barring injuries, will be MUCH improved next year.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:22 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I agree we will shoot better from 3 next year, but why are we saying “better” is good enough? If we run it back offensively and go from poor to average outside the arc…why are we satisfied with that? Why not shoot well (into the top 10) from downtown? I just don’t understand that line of thinking
And then suggesting Sochan will be able to guard 5’s in our closing lineup…even his advocates talk about how raw he is. I mean the guy is what,19 years old. We have Nance to play small ball 5, and he does a solid job at it. Let’s appreciate the depth we have on this team and not try to shoehorn someone into the 8th pick for need
And then suggesting Sochan will be able to guard 5’s in our closing lineup…even his advocates talk about how raw he is. I mean the guy is what,19 years old. We have Nance to play small ball 5, and he does a solid job at it. Let’s appreciate the depth we have on this team and not try to shoehorn someone into the 8th pick for need
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:26 pm to DallasTiger45
It's weird that Vinson helps all these dudes, and he legit does, but we are still one of the worst 3pt shooting teams the past 2 seasons.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:34 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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ETA: Bottom line, the guy we select has to be able to hit threes. It's not even a question to consider at this point. He doesn't have to shoot the lights out, but we should expect that our selection hits at least 37% of his attempts from beyond.
Look at our roster and tell me how many minutes a rookie is going to get next season. Even if we have a rookie that plays 20 minutes and takes three 3’s per game, do you know what the difference between 33% and 37% is in total 3’s? 10 shots over an entire season.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:51 pm to shel311
I honestly think at least part of that comes down to the coaches.
And in Green's case, it's hard to argue the results, but it is clear that unlike, say Gentry, we havent been prioritizing taking threes and leaning on lineups that maximize shooters.
Again, results say this was the way to go, and with Trey's late season improvement, Zion coming back, a full year of CJ, another offseason Herb can work on his shot, I do expect the numbers to tick up notably.
And in Green's case, it's hard to argue the results, but it is clear that unlike, say Gentry, we havent been prioritizing taking threes and leaning on lineups that maximize shooters.
Again, results say this was the way to go, and with Trey's late season improvement, Zion coming back, a full year of CJ, another offseason Herb can work on his shot, I do expect the numbers to tick up notably.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:52 pm to DallasTiger45
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And then suggesting Sochan will be able to guard 5’s in our closing lineup…even his advocates talk about how raw he is. I mean the guy is what,19 years old. We have Nance to play small ball 5, and he does a solid job at it
If the Pels don't think Sochan would fairly soon, be a better overall defensive player than Nance and capable of holding his own against most "5"s in the league at crunch time...I don't think they should even consider taking him. To me, that is his MAJOR "value point"...given our current roster. If he doesn't give us that option, I'd go another direction.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:12 pm to DallasTiger45
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And then suggesting Sochan will be able to guard 5’s in our closing lineup…even his advocates talk about how raw he is. I mean the guy is what,19 years old. We have Nance to play small ball 5, and he does a solid job at it. Let’s appreciate the depth we have on this team and not try to shoehorn someone into the 8th pick for need
Why would you assume drafting Sochan at 8 is for need and not the top player on their board at that position? We should be swinging for the fences, because who knows when we’ll have a chance to get another top 10 pick (insert joke about next years Lakers pick).
Posted on 5/23/22 at 5:41 pm to Epic Cajun
Yeah you draft the best player regardless of position I think. I’m coming around on sochan. His ceiling seems pretty high.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:16 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Bottom line, the Pels do NOT need more 3-pt shooting next year. We will have plenty with CJ, Trey, BI (once he returns to his normal 3-pt game he had the first 2 years he was in NO)...and even Herb, who is gonna shoot 36% or so next year.
Tell me you know nothing about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:21 pm to Epic Cajun
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Look at our roster and tell me how many minutes a rookie is going to get next season
Assuming no changes to the roster other than a draft pick, I’d say DG, Naji, and Jax can pretty easily be beaten out by a good rookie. As much as I love Jose, if say Johnny Davis was drafted, there’s a world where Davis and his big frame are better as both an offensive and defensive guy in most matchups.
Jose and Kira would still theoretically fight for minutes at the 1, but at the moment, do we even have a backup shooting guard on the roster? Maybe Naji or Trey? We definitely have a weird mix up of positions, but I think the very obvious need at 8 is one of Shaedon, Mathurin, Davis, or like Agbaji even
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:47 pm to LilWezyAna
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at the moment, do we even have a backup shooting guard on the roster? Maybe Naji or Trey? We definitely have a weird mix up of positions, but I think the very obvious need at 8 is one of Shaedon, Mathurin, Davis, or like Agbaji even
What you are saying, I think, is that getting an offensive creator is more important than getting a shooter. If that is indeed what you are saying, then I completely agree.
We have CJ, Zion, and BI to create, and it would be great to have one more who could come off the bench and create new challenges for the opposing defense. When Jose comes into the game, he creates a defensive change of pace, but doesn't yet scare anyone at the offensive end of the floor. Kira's speed could become that change of pace, but we can't count on that. Jaxson and Trey definitely constitute challenges to the defense when they come into the game, but they aren't creators.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 8:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I think, is that getting an offensive creator is more important than getting a shooter.
This would be ideal yes, but honestly just someone that can shoot and create as a secondary guy attacking closeouts is fine. Ideally one of CJ, BI, Zion is in at all times, but I’d like another guard that can force CJ into an off ball role more of the time, since he’s so good at catch and shoot 3s
Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:26 pm to Epic Cajun
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Look at our roster and tell me how many minutes a rookie is going to get next season. Even if we have a rookie that plays 20 minutes and takes three 3’s per game, do you know what the difference between 33% and 37% is in total 3’s? 10 shots over an entire season.
I don’t quite get what you’re saying. Should we not draft anyone? A wing who can’t shoot isn’t long for this nba.
As for the 3pt point percentages, 37% is near league average, I’m saying he needs to at least be respected from deep. Plus, in a league where so many seasons come down to 3 or 4 key buckets, I’ll take the extra 30 points
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 5/23/22 at 10:12 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I’m saying that the player they draft isn’t likely to contribute much in year 1, so they can draft someone with higher potential, that may take a little time to develop.
Posted on 5/23/22 at 10:41 pm to Epic Cajun
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I’m saying that the player they draft isn’t likely to contribute much in year 1, so they can draft someone with higher potential, that may take a little time to develop.
Trey and Herb say hi
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