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re: Summer League Game #4 vs Grizzlies -- Game Thread
Posted on 7/19/24 at 4:18 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/19/24 at 4:18 pm to Dantheman504
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The Hawkins that played the last 4 games isn't an NBA level player. If the only thing to be hopeful for is that "Hawk can shoot in the regular season" then I'll hold my breathe knowing he's shooting 24%.
24% and y'all are pumping sunshine. Regardless of summer league that's not good for a guy who can ONLY shoot.
This is what a prisoner of the moment looks like.
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Posted on 7/19/24 at 4:34 pm to Dantheman504
You’ll get shite on but you’re right. Hawkins is not an nba level player.
People are going to want to hold onto him for another 2 years just like Kira while he does nothing and shows us what he is.
People are going to want to hold onto him for another 2 years just like Kira while he does nothing and shows us what he is.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 5:14 pm to Dantheman504
Man I thought your shite takes were limited to just trades.
Hawk literally won us a game on his own without any help. Something Kira could only dream to do.
Btw, Hawk played like dogshit last summer league and before Willie Green sent a torpedo into his rookie season sans December, people were calling him untouchable.
A movement shooter who can play defense and get to a 38% 3PTA is a 12 year veteran in this league.
The only accurate assessment you can make about Hawk at this very moment is that he will never EVER be a primary ball handler in his career. That’s perfectly fine for our team as we already have to many people who need the ball in their hands.
Hawk literally won us a game on his own without any help. Something Kira could only dream to do.
Btw, Hawk played like dogshit last summer league and before Willie Green sent a torpedo into his rookie season sans December, people were calling him untouchable.
A movement shooter who can play defense and get to a 38% 3PTA is a 12 year veteran in this league.
The only accurate assessment you can make about Hawk at this very moment is that he will never EVER be a primary ball handler in his career. That’s perfectly fine for our team as we already have to many people who need the ball in their hands.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 5:40 pm to TackySweater
Dude what? Kira’s career high was 21 points in a meaningless game at the end of the season 3 years ago against Atlanta where they sat their best players. Hawk scored 30 against the at the time defending champ Nuggets and the western conference champs this year.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 6:37 pm to Dantheman504
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Hawk literally can't do jack shite and is shooting 24% for his "elite skill set" that he only hit at 36% last year.
Rookies with 300 3PA the last three seasons
Keegan Murray 41.1%
Brandon Miller 37.3%
Chet Holmgren 37%
Jordan Hawkins 36.6%
Bones Hyland 36.6%
Corey Kispert 35%
Jalen Green 34.4%
Jaden Ivey 34.3%
Keyonte George 33.4%
Wemby 32.5%
Benedict Mauthurin 32.3%
Davion Mitchell 31.6%
Cade Cunningham 31.4%
Jabari Smith 30.7%
A rookie “only” hitting 36.6%. Keeping summer league melting tho
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:11 pm to PrayingMantis
Print the god damn shirts!!
Posted on 7/19/24 at 11:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I'd say it was a majority.
Exactly my point.
Posted on 7/20/24 at 8:30 am to 50_Tiger
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Man I thought your shite takes were limited to just trades.
I never once said Hawk ISN'T an NBA player.
Are y'all trying to argue that IF he continues to shoot 24% he belongs in the NBA? That's literally all I said. And it is true that he has no other NBA skills. What the frick did i say there that isn't true?
The board: "if Dyson doesn't develop a shot he wont be in the NBA regardless of his elite defending".
Ridiculous comment and I had to argue over that for my life.
Meanwhile I say "If Hawk continues to shoot like this he won't be in the NBA". And I'm being a hater?
One of these guys already HAS an elite skill and y'all want to cut him for something he needs to work on. This guys has failed at his skill the last (4) games showing no other skill and I'm being hard on him?
Y'all are some dumb arse pussies.
"If he plays like shite then he wont be playing"
The board: OMG I cant believe you said such a thing! How dramatic could you possibly be"
Posted on 7/20/24 at 8:36 am to Dantheman504
I had to defend Dyson by arguing about his elite skill set. And still took a frick ton of heat.
Now I'm arguing that Hawk is struggling with his actual elite skill set and I have to look like I'm being dramatic?
I'm legit making the opposite argument I had to defend for Dyson (which didn't make sense).
And now the argument actually makes sense because Hawk is struggling with the 1 things he does well.
Some of you are really that fricking small brained or just want to argue me.
Now I'm arguing that Hawk is struggling with his actual elite skill set and I have to look like I'm being dramatic?
I'm legit making the opposite argument I had to defend for Dyson (which didn't make sense).
And now the argument actually makes sense because Hawk is struggling with the 1 things he does well.
Some of you are really that fricking small brained or just want to argue me.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 8:45 am
Posted on 7/20/24 at 8:50 am to 50_Tiger
So its ok to judge Dyson on everything he does wrong and ignore his elite skill set.
But its not ok to judge Hawk on his elite skillset that he's struggling with while knowing he does everything else wrong?
Do y'all see the hypocrisy here? I'll even throw in yall's own opinions and reasoning but somehow no matter what I'm wrong
Its hard for yall to be wrong when you constantly change your opinions or mold it to make sense in your tiny brain.
But its not ok to judge Hawk on his elite skillset that he's struggling with while knowing he does everything else wrong?
Do y'all see the hypocrisy here? I'll even throw in yall's own opinions and reasoning but somehow no matter what I'm wrong
Its hard for yall to be wrong when you constantly change your opinions or mold it to make sense in your tiny brain.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 8:52 am
Posted on 7/20/24 at 9:19 am to whatiknowsofar
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In approximately 1139 minutes he shot 36.6% from 3 against NBA competition. Shame on you for using a bad sample size
That’s not a good % for someone who’s only job is to hit 3s
Posted on 7/20/24 at 10:02 am to Balsamic_duck
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That’s not a good % for someone who’s only job is to hit 3s
Just to be devil's advocate, Buddy Hield's first 1163 minutes he only shot 36.9%
Then he went into a better situation and since then he's been a 40%+ shooter
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:03 am to Balsamic_duck
What’s a good percentage for a rookie?
Of the top 50 guys in 3PA last season, only 10 shot 40% or more from three.
If Hawkins would’ve made 10 more 3 pointers last year he would’ve been 40% from three.
Let’s gain some perspective. There’s enough to criticize with him but summer league and his three point percentage ain’t it. Makes ya look dumb
Of the top 50 guys in 3PA last season, only 10 shot 40% or more from three.
If Hawkins would’ve made 10 more 3 pointers last year he would’ve been 40% from three.
Let’s gain some perspective. There’s enough to criticize with him but summer league and his three point percentage ain’t it. Makes ya look dumb
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:44 am to Balsamic_duck
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That’s not a good % for someone who’s only job is to hit 3s
A rookie hitting at that percentage is pretty damn good
Posted on 7/20/24 at 11:56 am to whatiknowsofar
Shooters who aren't ball handlers tend struggle hard their first year. Kispert, Grayson Allen, Divencenzo, Malik Beasley, Mikal Bridges, Gary Trent, and etc..
People are unrealistic and unreasonable about him for whatever reason.
People are unrealistic and unreasonable about him for whatever reason.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 9:13 am to supe12sta12z
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Shooters who aren't ball handlers tend struggle hard their first year.
So shooters that struggle are ok because they can't handle the ball?
But Dyson who can play defense and handle the ball does not get the benefit of doubt for his shot?
Its crazy that the non shooters get trashed for not being able to shoot and the shooter gets a pass for not being able to shoot.
Dyson shot 43% last year and its the end of the world he "can't get better l" even though his shot doesn't matter.
Hawk shot 28.5% through summer league and has NOTHING besides his shot. But I'm overreacting?
I'm the one being dramatic about Dyson and overreacting about Hawk?
Idiots.
Make that make any fricking sense
This post was edited on 7/21/24 at 9:19 am
Posted on 7/21/24 at 9:26 am to Dantheman504
Anyone who made comments like below can sit the frick out of this one:
"Dyson won't ever be able to shoot"
"He is barely playable without a shot"
Dyson is (2) years younger than Hawk and again Hawk is a fricking pussy. Dude is the weakest 6'5 player in the NBA.
A lot of hypocrites that don't even understand their own opinions.
"Dyson won't ever be able to shoot"
"He is barely playable without a shot"
Dyson is (2) years younger than Hawk and again Hawk is a fricking pussy. Dude is the weakest 6'5 player in the NBA.
A lot of hypocrites that don't even understand their own opinions.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 9:31 am to Dantheman504
In totality:
Dyson will not be a good NBA player if he cant develop a shot. Doesn't matter if his defense is elite and facilitating ia good.
Hawk will be a good NBA player even if his shot struggles. Doesn't matter that he cant do anything else to save his life.
This is the opinion y'all have created through arguing with me.
And its quite a fricking stupid one.
Dyson will not be a good NBA player if he cant develop a shot. Doesn't matter if his defense is elite and facilitating ia good.
Hawk will be a good NBA player even if his shot struggles. Doesn't matter that he cant do anything else to save his life.
This is the opinion y'all have created through arguing with me.
And its quite a fricking stupid one.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 9:43 am to Dantheman504
quote:
Hawk will be a good NBA player even if his shot struggles. Doesn't matter that he cant do anything else to save his life.
This is the opinion y'all have created through arguing with me.
What mental gymnastics are you going through to think that? The only argument you cannot overcome you ignored when I told you he shot 36.6% from 3 against nba competition as a rookie, which should overshadow your assertion that because he had a bad summer league he's "trash"
How about you stop being a prisoner of the moment and let the fricking season happen before writing off a player going into his 2nd year in the NBA.
Posted on 7/21/24 at 10:11 am to whatiknowsofar
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The only argument you cannot overcome you ignored when I told you he shot 36.6% from 3 against nba competition as a rookie, which should overshadow your assertion that because he had a bad summer league he's "trash"
In fairness to Dan, 36.6 isn't great. That would have ranked 46th if he had enough attempts to qualify. If hitting 3s is the only thing you bring, 36.6 isn't enough.
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