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re: Summer League Game Thread: Pels vs Warriors 9pm CT
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:04 am to LSUCOLLEGECHAMPS
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:04 am to LSUCOLLEGECHAMPS
I try to keep in mind that’s it’s summer league and the majority of the team won’t be on the roster. It’s just been awhile since we had a bad summer league team (mostly because our young players are now to good for it). I don’t know anyone who should get quality minutes during the season besides maybe Dyson. Hawkins is a work in progress and could get end of rotation minutes. Everyone else is not impressive to me.
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:14 am to Mad Scientist26
You can’t just think of it as a linear growth scenario.
Liddell will definitely get playing time pending Zion/ Nance availability and if Zeller/ (whatever rookie we bring in) works out.
Liddell will not be a “liability” to put in for a few minutes and give Zion/ Nance a rest. That’s already a huge plus.
Hawkins very well could already be the 3rd best mid range shooter on the team behind CJ/BI. Even if his 3&D takes time that mid range could be of great help for spacing and shot creating.
Also it’s Summer league and they are locking Hawkins down. I’m confident he will make his open shots once Zion, BI, etcc are taking the attention for easy shots.
Liddell will definitely get playing time pending Zion/ Nance availability and if Zeller/ (whatever rookie we bring in) works out.
Liddell will not be a “liability” to put in for a few minutes and give Zion/ Nance a rest. That’s already a huge plus.
Hawkins very well could already be the 3rd best mid range shooter on the team behind CJ/BI. Even if his 3&D takes time that mid range could be of great help for spacing and shot creating.
Also it’s Summer league and they are locking Hawkins down. I’m confident he will make his open shots once Zion, BI, etcc are taking the attention for easy shots.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 9:16 am
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:45 am to Methuselah
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Reading this thread, I was sure we must have lost this game. When I checked the score and box on ESPN, I was like "we won?"
I was going back and forth between this board and pels Twitter while watching last night, laughing my arse off at how much different the reactions were. The polarization is at an all time high. I get that twitter has a bunch of brown nosing beat writers and such and pels talk is a bunch of agonized longtime pessimistic fans, but last night, the difference in reaction was astonishing, probably because all the writers on twitter actually have watched years of summer league and know how truly irrelevant it is.
Twitter "Dyson with another monster Stat line, 15/8/17; showing he can help in more ways then 1! Double double in the first half!"
Pels talk "dyson is fkn garbage and he's actually regressed, wtf this franchise sucks, Casey hill should just bench him, and fire himself while he's at it."
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:54 am to Dantheman504
quote:Not sure that is the case as he is missing some relatively open shots. He is also struggling from the FT line. It may just be a case of nerves. He was an 88% FT shooter in college and had missed 6 of 8 so far. He is shooting 25% from 3. I think he just needs to get settled in and let the game come to him.
Also it’s Summer league and they are locking Hawkins down. I’m confident he will make his open shots once Zion, BI, etcc are taking the attention for easy shots.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:11 pm to Pendulum
quote:It's wild how some folks opinions just sway and live and die with every SL possession and those same folks think they're the realists.
the difference in reaction was astonishing, probably because all the writers on twitter actually have watched years of summer league and know how truly irrelevant it is
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:17 pm to shel311
It's confirmation bias pure and simple. People are looking to confirm that Griff has screwed up. And I'm not saying he hasn't screwed up, but what the Internet has done to fandom is really messed up. People used to be able to think their GM or head coach was a dumbass but still enjoy their team. Now you have people hate watching a team they should enjoy watching because they get more dopamine hits pointing out what's wrong with the team than enjoying the team just being what it is.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:23 pm to Dantheman504
Couple of quick observations
- Dyson is a defensive beast, a bigger Dortz or OG. His handle has improved and has shown to be a very good connector passing but still needs tons of work on his overall offensive game, just not very instinctive. Hopefully he’ll get better with experience, but he’ll be in line as a backup wing 2-4 and reserve role as a point.
-Hawkins is a lot quicker than given credit. He already blows by on man and close outs. He definitely needs to be active in the weight room (particularly core strength), largely for defensive purposes as his offensive game is based on movement and shooting. At first blush he reminds me of Rip Hamilton.
-Liddell is a grown man. I was concerned about him holding position in the. paint but I dont see an issue now. He has plus wingspan that eases concern about height, but like Nance he’ll be easier to shoot over in the paint than a traditional big so I dont see extended minutes at the 5. Offensively he really hasn’t shown much, even though he doesn’t get a lot of touches I would have expected him to up his totals on the offensive boards and garbage points.
-Seabron It appears he has some sort of leg injury so I’m not sure he’s at full speed, but no one still can keep him from getting to the rim. He also needs to get stronger because those finishes in SL will be rejections and transition opportunities for the opposition in the regular league. He absolutely needs to work on his handle and better ball control if he wants a future with the big club. Additionally, he has to develop his facilitation, outside game and maybe a floater to keep defenses honest. However you can’t deny the fact that he seems to get to the rim at will.
- Dyson is a defensive beast, a bigger Dortz or OG. His handle has improved and has shown to be a very good connector passing but still needs tons of work on his overall offensive game, just not very instinctive. Hopefully he’ll get better with experience, but he’ll be in line as a backup wing 2-4 and reserve role as a point.
-Hawkins is a lot quicker than given credit. He already blows by on man and close outs. He definitely needs to be active in the weight room (particularly core strength), largely for defensive purposes as his offensive game is based on movement and shooting. At first blush he reminds me of Rip Hamilton.
-Liddell is a grown man. I was concerned about him holding position in the. paint but I dont see an issue now. He has plus wingspan that eases concern about height, but like Nance he’ll be easier to shoot over in the paint than a traditional big so I dont see extended minutes at the 5. Offensively he really hasn’t shown much, even though he doesn’t get a lot of touches I would have expected him to up his totals on the offensive boards and garbage points.
-Seabron It appears he has some sort of leg injury so I’m not sure he’s at full speed, but no one still can keep him from getting to the rim. He also needs to get stronger because those finishes in SL will be rejections and transition opportunities for the opposition in the regular league. He absolutely needs to work on his handle and better ball control if he wants a future with the big club. Additionally, he has to develop his facilitation, outside game and maybe a floater to keep defenses honest. However you can’t deny the fact that he seems to get to the rim at will.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
Now you have people hate watching a team they should enjoy wat
Eh, I'm not sure that this is a new phenomenon, especially on this board.
I remember something close to half this board rooting for us to lose in Zion's rookie year, because they wanted Uncle Al fired.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:19 pm to Pistol44
quote:Solid breakdown, I pretty much agree with it word for word
Couple of quick observations
The thing is love about Hawkins already is that he seems to have elite level gravity. I hope that continues into the season. That alone will be very valuable even if he has a bad shooting night.
Being SL, I don't think he had a single simple open look last night, it wad all contested off the dribble. That should change when playing with Zion especially and CJ and BI.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:25 pm to shel311
I wonder how much movement we'll see from him with the starters. Seems like relocation and some movement here and there would be ideal with those guys since those guys already have elite gravity.
It seems like his full on movement would be best suited with bench players.
It seems like his full on movement would be best suited with bench players.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 2:37 pm to shel311
quote:
The thing is love about Hawkins already is that he seems to have elite level gravity
For sure, he already has a rep as a shooter, but his quickness has stood out to me. The threat of the 3 ball will allow him to have a ton of midrange or facilitation opportunities off of close outs.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 3:00 pm to Pistol44
Summer League non-Pels news... Spurs shutting down Wemby for the rest of the SL
Posted on 7/10/23 at 8:37 pm to NOSHAU
Anyone worried about Hawkins shot needs to take a step back. Dude is 2 games into summer league.
Go watch the shots he makes and see how smooth they go in. Once the nerves settle more his shot will come.
They are giving him the green light and letting him find his rhythm. Someone that shoots that good in college doesn't suddenly become a bad shooter (without some horrible mental block).
And yes this is agreeing with the latter part of your post. It's more directed at anyone who thinks it isn't nerves and he suddenly became a poor shooter.
Go watch the shots he makes and see how smooth they go in. Once the nerves settle more his shot will come.
They are giving him the green light and letting him find his rhythm. Someone that shoots that good in college doesn't suddenly become a bad shooter (without some horrible mental block).
And yes this is agreeing with the latter part of your post. It's more directed at anyone who thinks it isn't nerves and he suddenly became a poor shooter.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 8:46 am to bonethug0180
I'm less worried about Hawkins than Liddell.
I'm just not seeing it.
He's invisible mostly. And was last year too.
If this dude didn't have hype of being a potential first rounder last year, no one would be talking about him at all based on performance.
He keeps getting the benefit of the doubt based on rep but going by the eye test, he's a JAG and there are 30 other free agents who could do the same or better.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm just not impressed.
Summer League is fool's gold, so I'll trust the team's eval, but he's not doing anything to give me confidence.
I'm just not seeing it.
He's invisible mostly. And was last year too.
If this dude didn't have hype of being a potential first rounder last year, no one would be talking about him at all based on performance.
He keeps getting the benefit of the doubt based on rep but going by the eye test, he's a JAG and there are 30 other free agents who could do the same or better.
I hope I'm wrong but I'm just not impressed.
Summer League is fool's gold, so I'll trust the team's eval, but he's not doing anything to give me confidence.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 8:52 am to ghost2most
quote:
He's invisible mostly. And was last year too.
What are you expecting from him? Are some of you guys thinking he's supposed to be a mini Zion? Success for Liddell is doing what Larry does. Be a switchable 5, and score when you're wide arse open in the dunker's spot.
Liddell has done a lot of guarding on the perimeter and has looked good staying in front of smaller players. When he's gotten opportunities to score around the basket he's done so.
quote:
he's a JAG and there are 30 other free agents who could do the same or better.
He was drafted in the 2nd round and is on a near minimum deal. Being JAG is fine. JAG > Warm Body, and he looks like someone that Willy would play, unlike Billy and Jaxson.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:08 am to ghost2most
quote:
I'm just not seeing it.
This board will hold onto him for years a la Kira Lewis
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:33 am to ghost2most
quote:Who knows ultimately, as he was a 2nd rounder.
I'm less worried about Hawkins than Liddell.
I'm just not seeing it.
One thing to keep in mind though, SL ball is a bit of a mess, and I think his game is not at all suited for this style of play.
quote:Possibly, but not at this price point and without the potential to get much better.
and there are 30 other free agents who could do the same or better.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:34 am to TackySweater
quote:How's that different than you giving up on him before he's ever played a game?
This board will hold onto him for years a la Kira Lewis
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:52 am to shel311
quote:
How's that different than you giving up on him before he's ever played a game?
I mean, sure lol
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:01 am to bonethug0180
quote:
It's more directed at anyone who thinks it isn't nerves and he suddenly became a poor shooter.
Jack givens. looked like jerry west with muscles taking rick robey and Kentucky to a championship.
taken by hawks in round 1.
never looked like that guy.
a Villanova champ (vacated, signed deal night before champ game) led by 6 8 forward Howard taken round 1 by chi bulls.
did not do it in nba.
the hot shot ncaa champ does not always do it again. another just flirted with my awareness. north Carolina 3OT win over wilt Kansas. the unc shooter taken round 1 by warriors. waived in mid season.
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