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re: Summer League Game Thread: Sons vs Suns 7:00pm CT
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:45 am to Mickey Goldmill
I’m not very concerned with Hawkins’ shooting. He’s taking fairly difficult shots and it’s not uncommon for even the very best shooters to have a cold stretch of 3 games
I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised by his feel for the game and the smaller things but haven’t really gotten that impression. Seems like the game is moving too fast for him at the moment. Not a death knell, but doesn’t bode well for the idea he will meaningfully contribute this season
I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised by his feel for the game and the smaller things but haven’t really gotten that impression. Seems like the game is moving too fast for him at the moment. Not a death knell, but doesn’t bode well for the idea he will meaningfully contribute this season
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:46 am to Bonkers119
quote:Not sure anyone is giving up on him. However, his calling card is his scooting and he has been abysmal so far. He cannot even hit free throws. His handles and passing have been bad. On the defensive end, he is beyond bad. If he were not a 1st round pick and were just an unknown SL roster player, I am not sure (based solely on his performance this far) anyone would be clamoring to sign him as a 2-way.
Trey was 17th overall, and played the first half of his rookie season out of the rotation and in the G-League.
Everyone giving up on Hawkins already is wild. Give the kid some time.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 9:48 am to TigerinATL
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Christian Clark made it sound like they liked Grady Dick a lot more. So they settled to fill a need which usually is not a good draft strategy.
Yea I was hoping we woukd get Dick or Wallace instead. 14 was entirely to high for Hawkins. I woulda just rolled the dice on Whitmore at that point.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
quote:Yeah, supposedly they liked Lively and Dick and had them both snatched right before them. I knew we were screwed at that point. I want almost thinking we would bite the bullet and take a shot on Whitmore or trade the pick.
Christian Clark made it sound like they liked Grady Dick a lot more. So they settled to fill a need which usually is not a good draft strategy.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:04 am to Balsamic_duck
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I would say that about keyonte george right now but yeah that's about it
Saw him mocked to us more than anyone before the draft lol.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:14 am to DallasTiger45
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I’m not very concerned with Hawkins’ shooting. He’s taking fairly difficult shots and it’s not uncommon for even the very best shooters to have a cold stretch of 3 games
I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised by his feel for the game and the smaller things but haven’t really gotten that impression. Seems like the game is moving too fast for him at the moment. Not a death knell, but doesn’t bode well for the idea he will meaningfully contribute this season
He could be shooting 40% from 3 in summer league and I would still feel the same. The rest of his game is so bad that he would have to shoot a crazy % from 3 to justify being on the court.
Luke Kennard has led the league in 3P% the last 2 seasons, weighs 20 pounds more than hawkins while having a better on ball game than hawkins and he still gets played off the court at times and gets traded for a couple 2nds at the deadline.
If you're banking on a rookie to immediately fill your need then your plan is not very good.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:45 am to Bonkers119
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Trey was 17th overall, and played the first half of his rookie season out of the rotation and in the G-League.
I didn't know playing in 34 of the first 36 games at 14mpg means out of the rotation for the first half of the season. and he played in 4 G-League games in January. Don't act like he was a G-League player the whole first half of the season that didn't play in the NBA.
Maxey played in 36 of the first 42 at 15mpg. I guess he was out of their rotation too.
Kira played in 20 of the first 35 games, at 13mpg.
Hawkins will be fine. He's nervous and trying to do more than he needs to. I"m not worried about his size either, at least offensively. He's about the same size as Richard Hamilton was, and that's also who he should be modeling his game behind.
How he starts the season though can be somewhat telling. They are all going to struggle, but if the potential is there and they see it in practice, then they are going to get more than enough playing time to start the season. When they don't get playing time early, as a lottery pick, it's usually not a good sign. I was constantly reminded that Kira was going to be good when i was pointing out the signs early on regarding playing time that it wasn't a good look and he might be a bit of a bust.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:51 am to Townedrunkard
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Christian Clark made it sound like they liked Grady Dick a lot more. So they settled to fill a need which usually is not a good draft strategy.
They should have settled on Malaki Branham then.
He's been great in 2 games, good in another, clunker in 1.
despite goign 1-8 in the clunker, he's still shooting 48% from 3 in his 4 games on 7 attempts per game.
He's going to be a good offensive player in the NBA. He's got the body of Joe Johnson Paul Pierce type, and he's a great 3 point shooter.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
He was drafted last year. 
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:05 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's not like Hawkins was some kind of reach
For sure, some of these Hawkins takes are wild. He’s not shooting well in his first three games —> bust or 15th. man …. lol. Folks don’t understand just getting off 10 threes a game at a pro level is a talent in and of itself. Hawkins gets his shot with excellent quickness and very good elevation off his shot. He’ll be fine, he is just rushing as he adjusts to the speed of the Pro game. I expect him to be a key contributor in his role this year.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:13 am to Dantheman504
These are a lot of assumptions. I’m not sure what Griffin did or did not do. But your assuming we can’t sign a reliable NBA shooter and HAD to draft Hawkins. Thats a really silly assumption. Eric Gordon took a paycut to go to Phoenix. And are using that as comparison which I disagree. Hawkins impact is that of a minimum vet NBA shooter. And yes you can find those guys in the league. They’re not eric gordon but you can find guys that are ready to play in the NBA that are cheaper and more productive than Hawkins will be in his rookie year. I think you think its Eric Gordon type guy or draft Hawkins. I would say we could sign a cheaper guy like Korkmaz from Philly over drafting a more expensive Hawkins. There are options, I think you are limiting yourself to the ones you prefer- its really that fricking simple.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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They should have settled on Malaki Branham then.
He's been great in 2 games, good in another, clunker in 1.
despite goign 1-8 in the clunker, he's still shooting 48% from 3 in his 4 games on 7 attempts per game.
He's going to be a good offensive player in the NBA. He's got the body of Joe Johnson Paul Pierce type, and he's a great 3 point shooter.
Are you sure you're talking about Malaki Branham? The actual Malaki Branham was drafted last year and shot 30% from 3 last season for the Spurs
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:24 am to Balsamic_duck
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If you're banking on a rookie to immediately fill your need then your plan is not very good.
Do people expect Hawkins to play a lot of minutes this season? I don't see many minutes available when all the guards and wings are healthy. That being said, you would hope an older rookie (age 21) can make an impact sooner than a guy just a year out of high school.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:26 am to supe12sta12z
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He was drafted last year.
wow. what a dumbass. my bad.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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I didn't know playing in 34 of the first 36 games at 14mpg means out of the rotation for the first half of the season. and he played in 4 G-League games in January. Don't act like he was a G-League player the whole first half of the season that didn't play in the NBA.
Right Trey had a role and did decently to start his career. You saw his potential. He also played very well in SL his first year. He’s always looked like he belonged in the league and just had to develop.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:33 am to Pels_Yaz
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These are a lot of assumptions. I’m not sure what Griffin did or did not do. But your assuming we can’t sign a reliable NBA shooter and HAD to draft Hawkins. Thats a really silly assumption. Eric Gordon took a paycut to go to Phoenix. And are using that as comparison which I disagree. Hawkins impact is that of a minimum vet NBA shooter. And yes you can find those guys in the league. They’re not eric gordon but you can find guys that are ready to play in the NBA that are cheaper and more productive than Hawkins will be in his rookie year. I think you think its Eric Gordon type guy or draft Hawkins. I would say we could sign a cheaper guy like Korkmaz from Philly over drafting a more expensive Hawkins. There are options, I think you are limiting yourself to the ones you prefer- its really that fricking simple.
I mean we had one on the team last year in josh richardson. Shot 38% from 3 and played decent defense and he just signed a minimum deal with miami. We'll pay hawkins more than JR this year and what're the odds hawkins is better than JR was last year? I'd say pretty low.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:43 am to Mulkey Man
I don't think any shooter in this draft is going to make a significant contribution in year 1. People are up in arms about nothing.
You don't draft a guy for 1 year. His skillset is going to be valuable in the next 5 years as our offense evolves. A lot of stuff you see him trying out in the summer league probably won't be things you see right off the bat. He is a WIP in several areas.
All we need from him his year is some spot minutes where he can spot up and hit open shots. Maybe some relocation, and slowly implement movement as the season progresses. And most importantly improve his strength, add weight, and work on his defensive game.
This would be the same idea even if we were able to draft Lively or even Dick or Bufkin. They're all a WIP.
Only guy that looks absolutely ready to contribute on day 1 is George. He lost a lot of weight and looks a lot more explosive than he did in college. Even then, he would be playing spot minutes here as well like he's going to in Utah. Don't think any rookie outside of maybe Scoot was going to come here and log significant minutes. That's just the nature of the make up of this roster.
You don't draft a guy for 1 year. His skillset is going to be valuable in the next 5 years as our offense evolves. A lot of stuff you see him trying out in the summer league probably won't be things you see right off the bat. He is a WIP in several areas.
All we need from him his year is some spot minutes where he can spot up and hit open shots. Maybe some relocation, and slowly implement movement as the season progresses. And most importantly improve his strength, add weight, and work on his defensive game.
This would be the same idea even if we were able to draft Lively or even Dick or Bufkin. They're all a WIP.
Only guy that looks absolutely ready to contribute on day 1 is George. He lost a lot of weight and looks a lot more explosive than he did in college. Even then, he would be playing spot minutes here as well like he's going to in Utah. Don't think any rookie outside of maybe Scoot was going to come here and log significant minutes. That's just the nature of the make up of this roster.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:46 am to Balsamic_duck
The problem with Richardson is that he takes minutes from Trey. I don't want that as a possiblity at all. I'm very glad we didn't re-sign Richardson for that very reason.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:47 am to Townedrunkard
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Yea I was hoping we woukd get Dick or Wallace instead. 14 was entirely to high for Hawkins. I woulda just rolled the dice on Whitmore at that point.
Hawkins definitely seemed like a bit of a panic pick. I'm curious if they were always going with shooting or if after having guys they liked come off the board they just rushed and said "lets pick the best shooter." I thought Hawkins at 14 was a pretty big reach.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:54 am to CP3forMVP
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Hawkins definitely seemed like a bit of a panic pick. I'm curious if they were always going with shooting or if after having guys they liked come off the board they just rushed and said "lets pick the best shooter." I thought Hawkins at 14 was a pretty big reach.
It seems like they were trying to draft for need from the jump. They wanted Lively(Rim Protection) and Dick(Shooting) and once they were gone they stuck with filling a need at shooting
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