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re: The NOLA Big, problem.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:56 am to Mad Scientist26
Posted on 6/27/23 at 10:56 am to Mad Scientist26
I’m fine with trading Jonas but not for Zach Collins and Mcderrmot. I don’t see how that’s an upgrade.
The struggle with trading Jonas is we want to upgrade with someone who plays the same position, is overall the same or better caliber player, but is good at protecting the rim. There’s only a handful of players that fit that criteria, I don’t think Zach Collins is one of them. I think this is why Griff made those comments about wanting to upgrade rim protection but saying he’s not sure if that would be possible this off-season.
The struggle with trading Jonas is we want to upgrade with someone who plays the same position, is overall the same or better caliber player, but is good at protecting the rim. There’s only a handful of players that fit that criteria, I don’t think Zach Collins is one of them. I think this is why Griff made those comments about wanting to upgrade rim protection but saying he’s not sure if that would be possible this off-season.
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:18 am to Mad Scientist26
According to the Pelican Report, there is interest for Jarret Allen.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:20 am to kellyboy23
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:24 pm to Snipe
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what exactly do the Pelicans need at center skills wise
With Coach Green’s defensive philosophy, you would like a pivot that can move their feet on the perimeter with size (length and girth) to anchor the defense (not necessarily a shot blocker but a player able to hold position and contest), can set good picks while being somewhat a threat free throw line extended.
Pels defense is modeled off GSW philosophy, but you need the right player(s) to execute. In the playoffs Looney and Draymond held the perimeter and post against Sabonis and Murray but got absolutely big-boyed against Joker and Gordon (who also did the same to the heat in the finals). Key, in my opinion, is to get a smart, switchable big but your 4 has to be capable of banging down low and hitting the defensive boards.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:42 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Pass. Collins is not very good and always injured. He is not really a rim protector and his defense is suspect.
Zach Collins has probably been injured more than Zion, but he was healthy last season. He can protect the rim, and he shot 37.4% from 3 last season. If he can stay healthy, then he's a good choice for us.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:44 pm to kellyboy23
quote:I am sure there is interest, but why does Cleveland trade him? He makes $20 million a year for next 3 years. Good rebounder and rim protector. On offense may clog the paint. They likely would not be interested in JV even if they made Allen available unless they are just trying to get off of his contract.
According to the Pelican Report, there is interest for Jarret Allen.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:51 pm to NOSHAU
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I am sure there is interest, but why does Cleveland trade him? He makes $20 million a year for next 3 years. Good rebounder and rim protector. On offense may clog the paint. They likely would not be interested in JV even if they made Allen available unless they are just trying to get off of his contract.
Did you see Cleveland in the playoffs? Mobley and Allen are a disaster offensively. Theres absolutely no space and Allen got dog walked by Mitchell Robinson.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:59 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Mobley and Allen are a disaster offensively
Zion is light years better offensively than Mobley at this point
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:00 pm to Balsamic_duck
If I were Cleveland, I would trade Allen if I could get Jonas and a quality starting 3. I think Jonas is a way way undervalued and distressed asset that next to a long defender like Mobley would fit perfectly. Like he did with Jaren Jackson in Memphis. But as great as Herb is, I don’t think they would want another defensive non shooter. And no way we would trade Murphy. So maybe we offer Jonas and Herb, they ask Jonas and Trey, and nothing ever gets done.
Again, no clue how Cleveland sees it, just what I would be thinking in their shoes.
Again, no clue how Cleveland sees it, just what I would be thinking in their shoes.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:20 pm to PELsu
quote:Given Allen's contract, not sure why Herb or Trey would be included. If we really wanted Allen, I would offer JV and Willy or JV and Temple (and maybe Naji) and maybe a heavily protected 1st for Allen.
If I were Cleveland, I would trade Allen if I could get Jonas and a quality starting 3. I think Jonas is a way way undervalued and distressed asset that next to a long defender like Mobley would fit perfectly. Like he did with Jaren Jackson in Memphis. But as great as Herb is, I don’t think they would want another defensive non shooter. And no way we would trade Murphy. So maybe we offer Jonas and Herb, they ask Jonas and Trey, and nothing ever gets done.
Again, no clue how Cleveland sees it, just what I would be thinking in their shoes.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:24 pm to NOSHAU
Don't think first round picks will be in the equation. If Cleveland is dumping Allen, don't see a first round pick coming their way.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:35 pm to NOSHAU
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Given Allen's contract, not sure why Herb or Trey would be included. If we really wanted Allen, I would offer JV and Willy or JV and Temple (and maybe Naji) and maybe a heavily protected 1st for Allen.
Come on now
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:26 am to Pistol44
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With Coach Green’s defensive philosophy, you would like a pivot that can move their feet on the perimeter with size (length and girth) to anchor the defense (not necessarily a shot blocker but a player able to hold position and contest), can set good picks while being somewhat a threat free throw line extended.
Pels defense is modeled off GSW philosophy, but you need the right player(s) to execute. In the playoffs Looney and Draymond held the perimeter and post against Sabonis and Murray but got absolutely big-boyed against Joker and Gordon (who also did the same to the heat in the finals). Key, in my opinion, is to get a smart, switchable big but your 4 has to be capable of banging down low and hitting the defensive boards.
Thank you for understanding the assignment. This is the type of answer I was looking for.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:43 am to NOSHAU
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I am sure there is interest, but why does Cleveland trade him?
Maybe they see Mobley as their center of the future? I’m not sure.
I’d definitely be interested in Allen though, he’s been a very good rim protector over the past few years, and is still young.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 6:57 am to Epic Cajun
Someone posted on Twitter a three-team trade that would send Jonas to the Pacers, Turner to the Cavs, and Allen to NOLA. I like that. Would require some filler but that would be a solid trade foundation.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 8:02 am to Snipe
Almost everyone being discussed as a target has a lower PER than JV, and often also has a higher salary.
JV was 19th in PER last season making $14.7mm, which was down from 17th and 4th in the two prior seasons, but that still leaves very few players that qualify as obvious upgrades and fewer still that can do it for the same or better value.
The bigger front court issue IMO is that our young guy, Jax, was 46th, and his/JV’s primary backup in Larry (although listed as a PF) was ranked 36th in addition to being hurt a good bit.
Of course the biggest Pels issue is our starting PF, that ranks 2nd in PER, only played 29 games.
Still, backup 4/5 is the spot that needs work because, in addition to the guys above, our primary backup for our oft injured superstar PF is getting ready to be a second round pick 2 way player coming off a season ending injury in Liddell.
Meanwhile we are like 4-5 deep at the PG/SG/SF spots.
JV was 19th in PER last season making $14.7mm, which was down from 17th and 4th in the two prior seasons, but that still leaves very few players that qualify as obvious upgrades and fewer still that can do it for the same or better value.
The bigger front court issue IMO is that our young guy, Jax, was 46th, and his/JV’s primary backup in Larry (although listed as a PF) was ranked 36th in addition to being hurt a good bit.
Of course the biggest Pels issue is our starting PF, that ranks 2nd in PER, only played 29 games.
Still, backup 4/5 is the spot that needs work because, in addition to the guys above, our primary backup for our oft injured superstar PF is getting ready to be a second round pick 2 way player coming off a season ending injury in Liddell.
Meanwhile we are like 4-5 deep at the PG/SG/SF spots.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 9:38 am to BamaPelican
In the year 2023, what other aspect of reporting doesn’t have the author exaggerate and add the our own input by quoting unnamed sources? None of them right? No idea why we’re so quick to believe conjecture from these reporters when no one believes the news anymore.
We’ve heard two of the smaller nuggets of info I can imagine, and it’s turned into like 150 pages of comments lol.
I believe that the Pels called the cavs with specific interest in moving Jonas for Allen. That indicates that they like Allen, not that they dislike Jonas and he’s being actively shopped.
I believe the Pels engaged with Charlotte to see what it would take to get scoot.
I also believe that the above two things are all that has happened.That could equate to two 3 minute phone calls. We’re going on 2-3 weeks of Pels Talk speculation. When an actual named source says otherwise, I will believe it then.
We’ve heard two of the smaller nuggets of info I can imagine, and it’s turned into like 150 pages of comments lol.
I believe that the Pels called the cavs with specific interest in moving Jonas for Allen. That indicates that they like Allen, not that they dislike Jonas and he’s being actively shopped.
I believe the Pels engaged with Charlotte to see what it would take to get scoot.
I also believe that the above two things are all that has happened.That could equate to two 3 minute phone calls. We’re going on 2-3 weeks of Pels Talk speculation. When an actual named source says otherwise, I will believe it then.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:00 am to BamaPelican
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Almost everyone being discussed as a target has a lower PER than JV, and often also has a higher salary.
PER doesn’t account for defense and is skewed towards higher rebounding players.
Players like Jarrett Allen and Daniel Gafford have much a higher DIFF% than Jonas. Players essentially shoot their expected field goal percentage at the rim vs Jonas. Players shoot -10.1% and -8.5% worse at the rim respectively vs DG and JA (they are both top 10 for centers). -6.5% for Turner as well.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:02 am to Epic Cajun
I'm officially on the Zach Collins bandwagon. 18/10/5 per 36 last season.
Especially if the savings allow us to use the full MLE or just some other way to also add an upgrade with the additional space below the tax it could potentially give us.
Especially if the savings allow us to use the full MLE or just some other way to also add an upgrade with the additional space below the tax it could potentially give us.
Posted on 6/28/23 at 10:06 am to shel311
He also has a -7.2% DIFF% at the rim.
My only concern with Collins is his health.
My only concern with Collins is his health.
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