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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:43 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:43 pm to brmark70816
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As amazing as Tatum is, could you play 5 of him at the same time?
No one is arguing this. You brought this point for no reason. Its non sensical and doesn’t add to your argument that you have to have players stuck and playing traditional positions. Thats all im saying.
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You just buzzed over what I said. I would wait until next summer. I don't mind giving him big money if he shows out. If he's mad about it, then so what. Maybe it will inspire him that much more. But he's not taking less to leave no matter what.
You’re playing hardball with the guy when hes shown he starts hes pretty productive. Not understanding why you would take that approach with him. And yes if you take that approach it will matter in trying to retain him.
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Hits how? I thought I was the owner. Am I firing myself? If I'm the GM, how good do you think he becomes, that I'm getting fired?
Not sure how you identify yourself in this argument. If Trey hits as an all star player and you played hardball because you’re stingy, as a GM, you will likely lose your job.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:34 pm to brmark70816
Look at cam Johnson for comparison, that's market value (adjusted for cap increase) for a guy like trey murphy.
Just like the nfl cap people need to get away from the hard jumbers and look at the % they'd eat up of the cap.
40mil for Ingram in 3 years is paying him 30s millions this year
One of the two will be moved. Bank on that. I am weary of trey if we move on from Ingram and not land a pg though
Just like the nfl cap people need to get away from the hard jumbers and look at the % they'd eat up of the cap.
40mil for Ingram in 3 years is paying him 30s millions this year
One of the two will be moved. Bank on that. I am weary of trey if we move on from Ingram and not land a pg though
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:38 pm to brmark70816
quote:So no plan. All you are explaining is getting rid of good players and moving a couple of players around in a pretty much position-less NBA.
I'm guessing I would get a pretty fat haul for both. Move McCollum to SG and Jones to SF (where both should really be playing). Find a good PG and C , then carry on. We'd still have a great bench with Alvarado, Hawkins and Daniels, plus whatever else we get from trading the pair. Honestly I love it, depending on what PG/C we can get..
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:39 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Amico has been pushing that narrative very hard. Is he usually a mouth piece for the Cavs?
100% posturing. In the article Amico says Cavs will only trade them if they ask for a trade.
This all reads to me as “Well would you please kindly add a pick to that since we traded all ours away mister?”
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
People had this exact same argument with brmark about two years ago, and several posters carefully explained to him that today's NBA is about roles and abilities, not specific positions.
And he ignored everyone and stubbornly insisted he was right. So, don't bother trying to convince him. He's happily ignorant and wants to stay that way.
And he ignored everyone and stubbornly insisted he was right. So, don't bother trying to convince him. He's happily ignorant and wants to stay that way.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
Interesting name at the very top of this list. It seems that he'd be a great fit for a team whose identity includes creating turnovers and then turning those fast breaks into points.
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40mil for Ingram in 3 years is paying him 30s millions this year
I don’t care if 40 million a year from now is 10% of the cap, Ingram should not be paid the same or more than Zion, period.
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Amico has been pushing that narrative very hard. Is he usually a mouth piece for the Cavs?
Never really paid enough attention to Cleveland to know
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/15/24 at 9:23 am to NOSHAU
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Amico has been pushing that narrative very hard. Is he usually a mouth piece for the Cavs?
I’m pretty sure he was on the who broke the LeBron back to CLE story, back in the day.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 10:45 am to GOP_Tiger
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People had this exact same argument with brmark about two years ago, and several posters carefully explained to him that today's NBA is about roles and abilities, not specific positions.
Debate never went anywhere because it all based on hypotheticals and conjecture about how it would all magically work together. There is always positional overlap and some players have the ability to play multiple roles. The goal is to start and play your 5 best players the most. Hopefully they all line up and fit together in a group. But if positions don't matter, then why wouldn't we just start Murphy in place of Val?
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:23 pm to brmark70816
I've maintained the same point regarding BI, it's not a money thing. It's a fit thing. We've seen him and Zion together. We know it won't work. No reason to continue wasting years trying to make it work.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:24 pm to brmark70816
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The goal is to start and play your 5 best players the most. Hopefully they all line up and fit together in a group.
Yes. Exactly!
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But if positions don't matter, then why wouldn't we just start Murphy in place of Val?
There were times this happened. In Zion/Murphy lineups without Val. It was partly due to Murphy’s length and rebounding he could play with Zion. Its also why they fit great together. Its also called “positionless” basketball so it doesn’t matter if there is even a center being played- its about do you have a guy in the lineup that can defend the rim and rebound. I think this is the issue- you think there has to be a so called “center”; well in reality just need a player who has skills in certain areas. Its also a philosophy embraced by our team and why they won’t resign Val- because he can “only” play center in a traditional aspect.
Posted on 6/15/24 at 12:52 pm to CP3forMVP
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I've maintained the same point regarding BI, it's not a money thing. It's a fit thing. We've seen him and Zion together. We know it won't work. No reason to continue wasting years trying to make it work.
The problem with his trade market is that his fit problems aren't exclusive to Zion. When he played on Team USA, he didn't fit with Edwards. He didn't fit with Brunson. He didn't fit with Halliburton. He didn't fit with Bridges. And before that, he didn't fit with LeBron. A bunch of teams may be willing to take a flyer on him before free agency, but very few are willing to give up much value to do so.
People are getting upset that the Cavs and Warriors aren't interested in trading for Ingram, but they have just as valid reasons for not wanting him as the Pelicans do for wanting to trade him.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 4:29 pm to mhasen1
Is someone going to start a Draft thread, with rumors and potential selections?
I just saw they split it into two days, 1st Wednesday and 2nd Thursday. That is just dumb. I loved it all on Thursday. I don't get why they did that..
I just saw they split it into two days, 1st Wednesday and 2nd Thursday. That is just dumb. I loved it all on Thursday. I don't get why they did that..
Posted on 6/16/24 at 4:53 pm to whatiknowsofar
Sons, the last week has me having zero clue at this point where BI is going and IF he actually is. 
Posted on 6/16/24 at 5:44 pm to Soggymoss
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Ingram should not be paid the same or more than Zion, period.
That's dumb, considering how the NBA structures max deals by time in the league. Like, it's such an incredibly irrational and illogical thought process its' hard to believe you actually believe that.
And all the NBA guys know this, too. It's not like Zion would be jealous of BI when Zion is making max money for his time in the league.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's dumb, considering how the NBA structures max deals by time in the league. Like, it's such an incredibly irrational and illogical thought process its' hard to believe you actually believe that.
Doesn’t matter, Ingram is not worth a max, not a 30% he’s eligible for, nor 25%.
Offer him 24% of the cap with 8% raises and if he declines then move on.
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 6/16/24 at 7:43 pm to Soggymoss
My concern is that no one wants him because of his salary and Griff won't sell low so he holds him, BI fricks our chemistry and flow again, then gets injured, then walks for nothing.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 10:59 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Which is funny because nothing has happened lol.
Sons, the last week has me having zero clue at this point where BI is going and IF he actually is.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:01 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Nah, don't offer him anything.
Offer him 24% of the cap with 8% raises and if he declines then move on.
Trade him.
Posted on 6/16/24 at 11:02 pm to ghost2most
quote:When does that happen for a top 30-40 player in his prime?
My concern is that no one wants him
Someone will want him.
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