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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:00 am to shel311
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:00 am to shel311
quote:
Nah, disagree. Take the best BI offer we can get, even if it's not good. That's the best route forward IMO.
I don't know that you can take ANY offer for BI.
If the trade offers come in and they are THAT low, you have to take a longer term approach. If you can get him on a contract that is less than the max and you can live with it short term, you have to at least consider it over some ridiculous offer.
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
Depends on what the “ridiculous offer” is.
We talking “Kaman and a first for Ben Gordon and another shitty Pistons contract” after the CP3 trade? Because that is what Joe Dumars was offering us, roughly,
We talking “Kaman and a first for Ben Gordon and another shitty Pistons contract” after the CP3 trade? Because that is what Joe Dumars was offering us, roughly,
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Disagree
If you can get him on a contract that is less than the max and you can live with it short term, you have to at least consider it over some ridiculous offer.
If his value is THAT low, I don't see what reason I'd have to think it'll be higher and a deal come to fruition going forward.
It's latching on to a guy that does not fit that you know will not let your team reach any theoretical potential they may have for what...a chance to maybe perhaps get a slightly better deal down the road? Pass, just rip the band aid and take the best deal this offseason.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:05 am to shel311
I think he’s worth more than that. But sine Hawks fans agree based on the contract and his injury history.
Same poster makes good points but pretty much what we all know.
Thinks BI woukd be alot better on a team with no Zion and a true pg. Also doesn’t know why we’d have interest in Murray b/c DD will be better than him if he develops his 3 point shot and punishes teams for leaving him open.
Same poster makes good points but pretty much what we all know.
quote:
In BI's 8 seasons. After the young player got traded to NO's. Zion has been in & out of the rotation changing the way the team plays, they've changed 3 coaches & had multiple roster TO trying to build around Zion who's often injured. It's BI that has carred NO's to the PO's through those injuries where the team is built for ZIon & has no effective PG thrusting BI into that role he's not suited for. NO's have no floor general because they want point Zion, problem is, there's no ZIon. BI's PO history is no indication of his talent & impact.
Thinks BI woukd be alot better on a team with no Zion and a true pg. Also doesn’t know why we’d have interest in Murray b/c DD will be better than him if he develops his 3 point shot and punishes teams for leaving him open.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:08 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:14 am to shel311
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Didn't feel like waiting so i searched it on Twitter, it's Mac
Ive been following this Zach Langley guy for Hawks info and the other Cleveland guy that normally gives NBACentral info.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:22 am to Townedrunkard
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I have been told that the league views BI as 75% of Siakam -- as far as a trade asset (vs Siakam when Pacers got him)
Don’t believe that at all.
BI’s offense is light years better than Siakams, who isn’t a good 3 point shooter or FT shooter.
Whatever team trades for him is extending him in a handshake deal before the trade, unlike Siakams situation. We aren’t trading him unless that happens anyway b/c his value would be a lot less if not extended.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:54 am to TeddyPadillac
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Don’t believe that at all.
BI’s offense is light years better than Siakams, who isn’t a good 3 point shooter or FT shooter
Siakam is like 2 percentage points lower as FT shooter than Ingram. He also is 2 time all-NBA, 2 time all-defense, and an NBA champion. He is a significantly better basketball player than Ingram.
Toronto completely messed up by waiting until the trade deadline in his last year before trading him which tanked his trade value. If Ingram isn't traded by the 2nd week in July, the return will look very similar to Siakam's.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:08 pm to mhasen1
Never been an all nba defender.
They're comparable talent. But agree the return will hurt if we don't move on, either we commit or not.
The issue in this is he's a quality player, but your star is a very unique piece that doesn't mesh well with him. Ingram when healthy is that kind of wing chess piece on offense that every team can use. 3 level scoring with decent handles.
They're comparable talent. But agree the return will hurt if we don't move on, either we commit or not.
The issue in this is he's a quality player, but your star is a very unique piece that doesn't mesh well with him. Ingram when healthy is that kind of wing chess piece on offense that every team can use. 3 level scoring with decent handles.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:24 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Who other than Amico?
There have also been numerous reports coming out of Cleveland that they dont want anything to do with paying BI a max. (This could also be posturing but /shrug ).
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:28 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:That is just another McNamara post on twitter.
A poster on a hawks site makes a good point. If BI value is this low, just hang on to him and extend him and look to dump CJ. Maybe rehab his value some and trade down the line.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:31 pm to shel311
quote:Exactly. Not sure why anyone believes his lies. Does anyone think he actually has any sources high enough up in the organization to know this? When Vinson left, we found out what I suspected. It appears his beef all this time had to do with Vinson either withholding info or feeding wrong info to flush out the leaks. Seems MM may have gotten burnt by Vinson
Didn't feel like waiting so i searched it on Twitter, it's Mac
Man, you guys gotta stop believing the shite he's making up, this is wild that you're still falling for it.
ETA: Just did a quick perusal of his latest tweets. He's getting you folks all riled up by saying all the BI "offers are trash"
He has no earthly clue what all the offers are, and let's be honest, we haven't received all the offers for BI or even close to it.
He's quite literally just saying shite to have Pels fans freak out. Stop falling for it.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:32 pm to mhasen1
quote:
Siakam is like 2 percentage points lower as FT shooter than Ingram.
Last 5 years BI is 85%, 85% career in playoffs.
Last 3 years Siakam is 75%, 72% career in playoffs.
But sure, like 2% points.
quote:
He is a significantly better basketball player than Ingram.
I disagree. And again, the contract situation isn’t the same.
And I like Siakam.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:33 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Langley is a running joke with Hawks fans. He has about 2,000 followers and seems to throw a lot of crap against the wall to see if he can hit. Sounds like another McNamara.
Ive been following this Zach Langley guy for Hawks info and the other Cleveland guy that normally gives NBACentral info.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:40 pm to shel311
quote:How low was Lauri's value when the Jazz got him for peanuts. Even Jrue went from a bad year to a solid year after the extension and his value went up. You never know.
Disagree
If his value is THAT low, I don't see what reason I'd have to think it'll be higher and a deal come to fruition going forward.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:46 pm to NOSHAU
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Langley is a running joke with Hawks fans. He has about 2,000 followers and seems to throw a lot of crap against the wall to see if he can hit. Sounds like another McNamara.
I mean a lot of people said this about ScoopB.
I will always hold some skepticism until proven otherwise.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:13 pm to mhasen1
quote:Eh. Sure but Siakam has gotten worse than BI has gotten better.
Siakam is like 2 percentage points lower as FT shooter than Ingram
Over the last 4 years, Siakam is at 75% and BI at 85%. I'd argue that's more relevant than career FT%.
quote:He's definitely better. I'm just not sure the Siakam deal is the baseline for BI. It probably is if BI can't find a team to make the handshake deal to extend him.
He also is 2 time all-NBA, 2 time all-defense, and an NBA champion. He is a significantly better basketball player than Ingram.
quote:Agreed with this line of thinking.
Toronto completely messed up by waiting until the trade deadline in his last year before trading him which tanked his trade value. If Ingram isn't traded by the 2nd week in July, the return will look very similar to Siakam's.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 1:29 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Sure, but his value went up after going to a new team, new surroundings, new role, etc.
How low was Lauri's value when the Jazz got him for peanuts
Sure, you're right in that you never actually know. But I'm pretty confident that the overwhelming odds are we see the same BI from the past couple of seasons next season.
Main point, not saying it will, but I'd say if anything, his role will likely be diminished going forward, even if just slightly.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 3:56 pm to shel311
There are so many trade proposals that send out Dyson, and I really don't want to do that for anything less than an all-star player.
A few pages ago, I posted that Dyson was fourth in his class this past season in his increase in points per 75 minutes. Today, I see this one:
IF (and I'll grant that this is a big IF) Dyson can become a decent 3-pt shooter, then he still has the potential to become a very good point guard. I believe that his value is a lot higher than Hawk's.
A few pages ago, I posted that Dyson was fourth in his class this past season in his increase in points per 75 minutes. Today, I see this one:
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If tweet fails to load, click here. IF (and I'll grant that this is a big IF) Dyson can become a decent 3-pt shooter, then he still has the potential to become a very good point guard. I believe that his value is a lot higher than Hawk's.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Probably, but both of them have pretty low ish value at this point, certainly lower than their draft position.
I believe that his value is a lot higher than Hawk's.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:03 pm to whatiknowsofar
pels trade: mason, shamit, jake
pels get back: 2 detroit style pizzas and some gelato
pels get back: 2 detroit style pizzas and some gelato
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