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re: What would bee an acceptable season?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:13 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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No one has replaced BI. We lost him for nothing.
Not arguing semantics of your post but we added Bey/ Peavy/ Queen/ + more minutes from Trey. While none of those are "replacing BI" as a group they could have more impact. Trey was always the "replacement" for BI and the hope was to get another 3 and D guy to pair with Herb. Bey/ Peavy may be a step below what we want but their impact could be greater than expected.
You could also say that if we re-signed BI then Herb might be gone instead of getting a 3 year extension. Trade offs.
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:20 am to VOR
Well if we still had the puck we gave up for Queen I’d say 30-52 picking somewhere about 10 because, let’s face it, what happened with Dallas was 100% bullshite NBA tampering to improve their ratings and make another superteam. Now though, we better hope we are at least kind of good so I’m going to say 42-40 and be positive although truthfully we are probably go closer to 37-45. Regardless I hope if we suck that we suck immediately so we can make a decision about trading people and hopefully not take a bullshite deal. That said I fully expect Zion to be dealt for a bullshite return eventually.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:38 am to LSUPilot07
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I’d say 30-52 picking somewhere about 10 because
I think the worst we end up is #13. Which the trade would have been #13/ #23 for #13/ #40. Not that crazy considering one is numbers and the other is a specific player getting added to the team. Hawk was #13 that could be the "value" of our pick next year if we had it. No reason to get a headache trying to hate the trade, its easier to just hope Queen turns out well.
If that's the case then we essentially traded #13 for #13 and #23 for Peavy who has late rd 1 potential on a redraft if plays well on both sides of the ball. In reality we barely lost anything and gained (2) players that could have very positive impact to this team.
Until that 26' pick is top 10 or Queen is a bust I will refuse to call it the worst trade ever or even a bad trade.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:42 am to VOR
The ceiling for this team is 35 wins
So over 35 wins would be amazing
30-35 wins would be ‘acceptable’
And anything under 30 would be a catastrophe
So over 35 wins would be amazing
30-35 wins would be ‘acceptable’
And anything under 30 would be a catastrophe
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:42 am to Dantheman504
Play in is a must. That’s the floor.
And to the above, Dejounte Murray was truly supposed to replace BI. They operate and produce in a very similar manner but we were supposed to get it out of the PG position and at a cheaper price. That injury really screwed us over.
And to the above, Dejounte Murray was truly supposed to replace BI. They operate and produce in a very similar manner but we were supposed to get it out of the PG position and at a cheaper price. That injury really screwed us over.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 12:08 pm to PELsu
Yeah we essentially went from:
CJ/ Herb/ BI/ Trey/ Zion
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Murray/ Poole/ Herb/ Trey/ Zion
CJ/ BI out and Murray/ Poole in.
Poole/ CJ is a wash and could be an upgrade. Murray/ BI could be a wash if Murray comes back healthy and like SAS level. Murray could have a bigger impact on this roster than BI due to effectiveness at a other position while freeing up minutes for Herb/ Murphy at the wing.
Then you have Missi/ Bey/ Fears/ Queen/ Karlo/ Peavy who weren't here (2) years ago and we didn't really have anyone better or with more potential. Naji/ Hart/ Val are the last few role players that we lost and didnt replace. We are in very good shape as any of the players above can have the same or even better impact.
CJ/ Herb/ BI/ Trey/ Zion
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Murray/ Poole/ Herb/ Trey/ Zion
CJ/ BI out and Murray/ Poole in.
Poole/ CJ is a wash and could be an upgrade. Murray/ BI could be a wash if Murray comes back healthy and like SAS level. Murray could have a bigger impact on this roster than BI due to effectiveness at a other position while freeing up minutes for Herb/ Murphy at the wing.
Then you have Missi/ Bey/ Fears/ Queen/ Karlo/ Peavy who weren't here (2) years ago and we didn't really have anyone better or with more potential. Naji/ Hart/ Val are the last few role players that we lost and didnt replace. We are in very good shape as any of the players above can have the same or even better impact.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/11/25 at 12:41 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Cannot end up with a top 10 pick.
This is my bar as well.
Be in the play in mix, show off Zion and Dejounte so they can up their trade value, and develop the young guys. Then try and flip Zion and Dejounte next offseason and move forward with Fears, Herb, Trey, Queen, and Missi
Posted on 7/11/25 at 2:44 pm to VOR
Hornets or Yellowjackets?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 2:45 pm to VOR
Posted on 7/11/25 at 3:10 pm to Dantheman504
Trey did not and will not replace BI. He was already on the team playing significant minutes.
Murray isn't replacing BI. He was already on the team.
Poole is replacing CJ, as they are very similar players in play and salary, and were traded for each other. That's how "replacing" works.
We lost BI for nothing. We didn't gain any cap space to sign anyone new b/c of him leaving. Herb was getting that extension no matter what.
Murray isn't replacing BI. He was already on the team.
Poole is replacing CJ, as they are very similar players in play and salary, and were traded for each other. That's how "replacing" works.
We lost BI for nothing. We didn't gain any cap space to sign anyone new b/c of him leaving. Herb was getting that extension no matter what.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 3:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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That's how "replacing" works.
We lost BI for nothing.
We let BI go because we had Trey. You are acting like if we didn't have Trey we would have still let go of BI which is false. Having Trey was part of letting BI walk because players cost money and we can't just pay everyone whatever they want. We wanted BI to shoot 3's like Trey and we wanted Trey to develop a mid range like BI.
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We didn't gain any cap space to sign anyone new b/c of him leaving
Other than the money we paid Trey, the contract we got for Bey, and the money we essentially spent for Looney? Wtf are you talking about?
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Murray isn't replacing BI. He was already on the team
We got Murray knowing that we were probably not resigning BI who was a free agent at the end of the season.
We also had (1) of Herb/ Trey off the bench so which ever one you want to say is the "replacement" due to them starting is the correct answers aswell. Backups "replace" starters all the time, just because they were on the roster doesn't make the point irrelevant.. However you spun that in your head, it was wrong.
Queen could replace Zion. Is that an incorrect statement just because he's on the roster?
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:30 pm to Dantheman504
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We let BI go because we had Trey. You are acting like if we didn't have Trey we would have still let go of BI which is false. Having Trey was part of letting BI walk because players cost money and we can't just pay everyone whatever they want. We wanted BI to shoot 3's like Trey and we wanted Trey to develop a mid range like BI.
We let BI go for nothing.
We lost an asset and got nothing in return.
There's nothing else you need to add to that to rationalize it.
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Other than the money we paid Trey, the contract we got for Bey, and the money we essentially spent for Looney? Wtf are you talking about?
Trey's contract has nothign to do with BI. Trey earned that contract, and we were always going to give it to him.
We didn't let BI go b/c of money. We let him go b/c he didn't want to be a part of this organization anymore and was never signing an extension with us, even if we met what he wanted.
Kevin Looney
I really like Saddiq Bey, but he's a fricking role player.
What the frick are you talking about? You seriously want to say we let BI go and got back Bey and Looney like that's some great addition after that lost?
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We got Murray knowing that we were probably not resigning BI who was a free agent at the end of the season.
Ok mr in the know.
We got Murray b/c we needed a PG so BI could stop being the PG.
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We also had (1) of Herb/ Trey off the bench so which ever one you want to say is the "replacement" due to them starting is the correct answers aswell. Backups "replace" starters all the time, just because they were on the roster doesn't make the point irrelevant.. However you spun that in your head, it was wrong.
And what was the point again? THAT WE LOST BI FOR NOTHING!
and i agree that replacements happen all the time like that. That's what Fears is, hopefully. But that doesn't mean that you lose Murray or Poole for nothing simply b/c Fears is better than them.
We had an asset who scored 20+ppg and lost him for nothing. That's the point. You can try to rationalize however you want, but that's the fact of the matter.
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Queen could replace Zion. Is that an incorrect statement just because he's on the roster?
Is Zion not an asset? are we supposed to just be ok with letting him go for nothing simply b/c a younger player ends up better than him? What part of that don't you understand? Who replaces him on the current team does not matter. He's an asset. If you lose that asset and get nothing in return, that's shite. If he has no worth, then losing him isn't really losing him. And don't sit here and tell me BI had no worth.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We let BI go for nothing.
We lost an asset and got nothing in return.
There's nothing else you need to add to that to rationalize it.
No we actually received (1) 1st and about $30mil in space for other players. So even at a minimum you are dead wrong and dramatic. We may not have been able to pay Trey/ Herb with BI's $40mil and certainly not Murray's contract. It was pick (2) of:
BI
Murray
Trey + Herb
You can't just ignore $40mil in salary that can be used on other people. That matters. You don't just have BI or not in these scenarios. We were also never going to pay the tax and that plays the biggest part in all of this. You know all that Teddy....
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 7/11/25 at 5:02 pm to TeddyPadillac
We had (3) starting caliber wings and (1) starting caliber guard. It was never going to work and wasn't balanced. We swapped (1) wing for (1) gaurd. Herb/ Trey were replacing BI's minutes while we get a 2nd starting guard to balance our roster.
We replaced BI's salary with Murray and his playing time with Trey/ Herb. Him being on the roster doesn't matter because that doesn't account for the FUTURE contracts of Trey/ Herb which was only possible with a BI exit.
Now if we didn't trade for Murray then we could potentially have:
Poole/ Fears
BI/ Dyson
Trey/ Herb
Zion/ Queen
Missi
Which you could argue would be a better scenario but that's a different conversation.
We replaced BI's salary with Murray and his playing time with Trey/ Herb. Him being on the roster doesn't matter because that doesn't account for the FUTURE contracts of Trey/ Herb which was only possible with a BI exit.
quote:The part where we pay the tax to keep (3) wings and 0 PGs is exactly where you'd lose me.
What part of that don't you understand?
Now if we didn't trade for Murray then we could potentially have:
Poole/ Fears
BI/ Dyson
Trey/ Herb
Zion/ Queen
Missi
Which you could argue would be a better scenario but that's a different conversation.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 7/11/25 at 6:36 pm to Dantheman504
Nothing you said matters. We lost him for nothing. That’s it. You know what doesn’t cost salary this year, since you are so worried about that? Future draft picks.
If you had 10 pieces of some antique shite that was worth money and you sold 9 of them for a nice profit, would you be ok just throwing the 10th one in the garbage since you already made a nice profit on the other 9?
If you had 10 pieces of some antique shite that was worth money and you sold 9 of them for a nice profit, would you be ok just throwing the 10th one in the garbage since you already made a nice profit on the other 9?
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:24 pm to VOR
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What would bee an acceptable season?
depends on how healthy we are or aren't...
if we can stay healthy, that over/under of 31.5 is easy money.... I feel that we have the talent to easily win 40 games.... but if we are injured anywhere close to like last year, then 25 games may be a struggle....
it will all come down to health, b/c there is talent on this team, and overall, I think we are better than last year... Fears is going to be a very good player, I love the Bey addition, Looney brings toughness and championship pedigree... it wasn't a perfect off-season, by any stretch, but I do think we are better off today than what we had towards the end of last season
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:29 pm to VOR
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What would bee an acceptable season?
Crushing our enemies, seeing them driven before us, and hearing the lamentation of their women.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 7:51 pm to VOR
I just want us to contend for a play-in
This team has opted for youth, but there's still a good bit of veterans for us to be able to be a play in(all assuming health).
This team has opted for youth, but there's still a good bit of veterans for us to be able to be a play in(all assuming health).
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:14 pm to VOR
Playoffs or bust
Nothing else is acceptable
Nothing else is acceptable
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
We weren’t going to sign BI for 40 million a year. If he was a hot commodity, teams would’ve offered more.
We are basically replacing BI. He averaged 31.1 minutes with the Pelicans. Someone has to take those minutes. It’s like someone else goes to a different company, you have to replace them with someone else.
Murphy replaces him in the starting lineup. Fears/Queens replaces Murphy minutes on the bench.
We are basically replacing BI. He averaged 31.1 minutes with the Pelicans. Someone has to take those minutes. It’s like someone else goes to a different company, you have to replace them with someone else.
Murphy replaces him in the starting lineup. Fears/Queens replaces Murphy minutes on the bench.
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