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re: Zion still has not developed...
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:16 am to TeddyPadillac
Zion needs to slow down some. I get it he tries to score quickly before double teams, but if he lets the double come to him and passes out, we will get so many open looks. If it doesn't, then make your move. He also should recognize when we have a decent lead to start pulling up on the jumper to get it in the mix for respect.
AND, he does need to continue to develop on D, he's bad.
AND, he does need to continue to develop on D, he's bad.
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Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:22 am to FMtTXtiger
The double isn't coming to him outside of the paint... they're sagging off and sitting in the paint. He goes fast because he has to in order to get to his spots before the defenses can react. Remember he is predominantly going left so teams can prepare for it.
Getting the ball on the perimeter is the best way for him to keep teams off balance and force teams to vacate the paint for him to find open lanes
He has to learn how to go right if he want to develop into an unstoppable force in post.
Getting the ball on the perimeter is the best way for him to keep teams off balance and force teams to vacate the paint for him to find open lanes
He has to learn how to go right if he want to develop into an unstoppable force in post.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:40 am to supe12sta12z
yeah it's not even really a double.
They just sit in the paint and make a wall and wait for him.
He should probably once a game pick one of the smaller guys that wants to be in the wall and just bulldoze the frick out of him. Let them keep making that wall a few times, then pick your spot and just annihilate someone in it. I'd bet the next time you attack that wall a few guys will get out of his way.
They just sit in the paint and make a wall and wait for him.
He should probably once a game pick one of the smaller guys that wants to be in the wall and just bulldoze the frick out of him. Let them keep making that wall a few times, then pick your spot and just annihilate someone in it. I'd bet the next time you attack that wall a few guys will get out of his way.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:46 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Yep, which is why the DHO with the center at the FT line drives me nuts, it's just inviting a double with no spacing.
They just sit in the paint and make a wall and wait for him.
Not only do we never do the inverted PnR, I also don't ever see us hunting the mismatch for Zion. Tonight for example, we should be hammering the CJ/Zion PnR to get the switch with Steph guarding Zion and get an instant double every single time. I have little confidence we'll do that much when it should be one of the staples of the offensive gameplan to hunt that mismatch with Steph or Poole.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 10:52 am to shel311
I agree, especially with CJ Trey and BI out there, and even with Herb b/c Herb has proven he'll make the right cut or drive by his guy for a layup.
Let the double come and pass out of it and then move the ball quickly and create chaos for the defense to scramble to defend. That's how you get wide open 3's and easy layups.
Let the double come and pass out of it and then move the ball quickly and create chaos for the defense to scramble to defend. That's how you get wide open 3's and easy layups.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:16 pm to FMtTXtiger
They sprint to the paint sometimes. shite if im Z i wait and make them get that 3 in the key lol. Or come to him...advantage Z.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:30 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:Teams build a wall. What would make it easier on him is if our perimeter players would actually hit the wide open shots he creates for him when he passes out. Trey has struggled lately (6-21 last 3 games) and as a result is very tentative when he gets an open shot. CJ is the biggest issue. He is getting some great open looks as a result of teams packing the lane for Zion, but he is only hitting 27% of his 3s. I cannot understand that.
The double isn't coming to him outside of the paint... they're sagging off and sitting in the paint. He goes fast because he has to in order to get to his spots before the defenses can react. Remember he is predominantly going left so teams can prepare for it.
Getting the ball on the perimeter is the best way for him to keep teams off balance and force teams to vacate the paint for him to find open lanes
He has to learn how to go right if he want to develop into an unstoppable force in post.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:33 pm to southsidedell
quote:AD camped out in the lane 2 nights ago, that call never came.
shite if im Z i wait and make them get that 3 in the key lo
There was 1 play where he was in the paint and what at least I'd say was nowhere near close enough to JVal to argue he was guarding him from the 17 second mark of the shot clock to 6 second mark. 11 seconds in the paint, nothing.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:34 pm to shel311
quote:
There was 1 play where he was in the paint and what at least I'd say was nowhere near close enough to JVal to argue he was guarding him from the 17 second mark of the shot clock to 6 second mark.
Then what needs to happen is JV needs to move then point at his man and start counting.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:34 pm to NOSHAU
quote:For the sample size, it's normal stuff. If he's still at that rate after game 30-35 or so, that may be an issue.
I cannot understand that.
But players often have 10-15 game spurts where they shoot 30% and then another 10-15 games where they shoot 47% or whatever. That's all pretty normal.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:37 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
CJ is the biggest issue. He is getting some great open looks as a result of teams packing the lane for Zion, but he is only hitting 27% of his 3s. I cannot understand that.
Honestly, I dont know if we are ready yet for this discussion. But I think CJ's eventual role on this team is being a 6th man of the year type and coming off the bench with Jose. He doesn't turn it over and draws defenses in and that would benefit Jose, Nance and Trey SO much.
And if he continues his downward trend on 3's, it's almost better to start Dyson for his defense. He can at least hit 30=35% eventually from 3. I'm not saying this will happen this year or even next year but I think the blueprint is there
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:37 pm to shel311
quote:Well, but for that some sample size, people as forming a conclusion on why Zion is encountering so much traffic in the lane. It does not help that CJ cannot throw the ball in the lake. He has had more wide open misses for a guy who is a very good shooter.
For the sample size, it's normal stuff. If he's still at that rate after game 30-35 or so, that may be an issue.
But players often have 10-15 game spurts where they shoot 30% and then another 10-15 games where they shoot 47% or whatever. That's all pretty normal.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:40 pm to shel311
Also it really sucks JVal is being played out of so many games this early in the season. He's still so so good at times but I dont know if he's a championship piece
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:41 pm to NOSHAU
quote:I don't think CJ not hitting shots has gotten Zion even 1 inch of additional space.
Well, but for that some sample size, people as forming a conclusion on why Zion is encountering so much traffic in the lane. It does not help that CJ cannot throw the ball in the lake. He has had more wide open misses for a guy who is a very good shooter.
Teams are ALWAYS going to build the wall on Zion and always leave a guy open to double and triple team Zion. Yes, CJ has to start knocking down the shot. But I honestly don't think that him doing so will change the way teams play Zion one iota. Zion will always be the focus and they will always give up the open jumper as opposed to Zion in iso scoring 2s at a clip of well above 70%. 70% is his FG% 0-3 feet, but obviously that also includes the times he's doubled and tripled at the rim, so I'd imagine it's something silly like 75-80% when only 1 guy is meeting him at the rim. Teams will always give up the open 3 instead of that efficiency.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:43 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:It's early but definitely something to keep an eye on.
Also it really sucks JVal is being played out of so many games this early in the season. He's still so so good at times but I dont know if he's a championship piece
I love JVal, but we're pretty darn good with Nance. Like I said, we need more time, but there could be a scenario down the road where it happens and it's not the worst thing. It means Nance is playing really well, and JVal would have value to fill another need if we at some point just deem him tradeable. And obviously even if Nance becomes the closer, having Jval just on the team playing 20-25 minutes is still helping too.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:52 pm to shel311
Depending on where it falls, I'd really like us to consider drafting a center with that Lakers pick.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 12:56 pm to NOSHAU
The answer to breaking these walled defense will obviously be Ingram. He's going destroy these defenses who tries to sit in the paint like he did against Brooklyn,Charlotte, and Utah before he left the game.
Posted on 11/4/22 at 8:13 pm to shel311
quote:1 quarter in, nothing of the sort for Zion.
Not only do we never do the inverted PnR, I also don't ever see us hunting the mismatch for Zion. Tonight for example, we should be hammering the CJ/Zion PnR to get the switch with Steph guarding Zion and get an instant double every single time. I have little confidence we'll do that much when it should be one of the staples of the offensive gameplan to hunt that mismatch with Steph or Poole.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 10:03 am to shel311
Zion had 1 recorded drive to the basket last night.
I don't know what we're doing offensively. The numbers look good for the team as a whole, but we have so much opportunity to be even better by starting to deliberately get Zion involved.
I don't know what we're doing offensively. The numbers look good for the team as a whole, but we have so much opportunity to be even better by starting to deliberately get Zion involved.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 10:19 am to shel311
He didn't record a fga until the 8 minute mark of the first quarter.
That's offensive
That's offensive
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