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re: Olave perspective related to contract
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:35 pm to Burt Macklin
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:35 pm to Burt Macklin
I posted this in another thread but it clearly fits better here....
I'm am not saying any of you are wrong about the number being presumably too high, however, at 30M if you look at 2025 APY, he would fall 8-10 in money ranking. But, Olave is, including TEs, 7th in catches, 8th in yards, 9th in TDs, and 7th in targets. He will fall in around 7th or 8th in money, I would assume with some injury protections centered around concussions.
With all that said, he will get 30-33M per year and the Saints will be happy to do that this offseason.
I'm am not saying any of you are wrong about the number being presumably too high, however, at 30M if you look at 2025 APY, he would fall 8-10 in money ranking. But, Olave is, including TEs, 7th in catches, 8th in yards, 9th in TDs, and 7th in targets. He will fall in around 7th or 8th in money, I would assume with some injury protections centered around concussions.
With all that said, he will get 30-33M per year and the Saints will be happy to do that this offseason.
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:38 pm to Proximo
quote:This is the remaining prorated signing bonus they had already been paid, which as the term suggests is the money the player gets just for signing the contract and is not obligated to give any of it back.
I don't think that's true? We’re still eating Ram’s (and Carr's - shoulder) dead cap even though he retired due to his knee condition
What came off the cap was any guaranteed portions of the base salary, as well as all the non guaranteed money remaining (and of course any unearned money like roster bonuses and such).
That will be why it will be hard to find the balance between upfront money in the signing bonus vs splitting base salary into more per game roster bonus money. The more you ask him to take in roster bonuses, the more he will want in signing bonus. But on the flipside if he does retire, that means all of the salary/roster bonus money will come back to us in the years he won't play.
So we need to decide if he is a retire risk or not, and how much we think he year to year health could dip (or not).
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:39 pm to Burt Macklin
quote:As any smart player would do when risking earning double his current salary over multiple years, he will hold out if not signed long term. It would be absolutely idiotic for him to play on the 5th year.
I say make him play out the 5th year option next year and use the franchise tag after that if needed to negotiate a longer term deal.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:45 pm to bonethug0180
quote:
As any smart player would do when risking earning double his current salary over multiple years, he will hold out if not signed long term. It would be absolutely idiotic for him to play on the 5th year.
Agreed. No agent worth a damn will allow a player of his production to play on that 5th. And the Saints will not ask him to.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:47 pm to saints5021
4 yrs 120 mil is one I saw yesterday
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:48 pm to saints5021
I honestly don’t care if they pay him 30+. He’s worth the investment imo. I am not one that believes he’s just a number 2 wr. The guy hasn’t had a qb worth a shite since he’s been drafted here. With Shough he looked absolutely dominant. Give him his money, make sure we are protected due to his past injury history. Hopefully his agent and him can accept that.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:51 pm to eddieray
That is the floor of what he will get, judging by all the players around him and when they signed their contracts. Might be up to $138 mil if 4 years. I would be shocked if he got more or less than those 2 extremes.
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:47 pm to saints5021
quote:
Listening to Underhill yesterday and they were talking about the explosion in cap and how the WR numbers for lesser FA receivers are going to be bonkers. Pierce and Jennings are probably going to sign for 20 - 25 million.
Regarding Olave, he literally just made an All-Pro team. As of today, that makes him one of the top 6 WRs in the NFL and he is still under 25. The thought that we are going to sign him for 20 million and that he is not a WR1 are absolutely done. He may not be a big receiver, but All Pro selections mean something. The NFL is telling us that he is a top 6 WR.
With that said, Trip and Underhill put his floor at the 32 million that Garret Wilson just signed for and his ceiling at the 35 million that Justin Jefferson is signed for. Olave and London are both due contracts, so both are probably waiting on the other to sign to set the market. For Olave, the amount will depend on his agent and how the Saints perceive his past injury history.
So, regardless of what you think about Olave being a true WR1, the entire NFL agrees that he is a 1. You just saw what he can do with an actual NFL QB that is not throwing him hospital balls. His next contract will be between 32 and 35 million. We need to stop thinking about money in 2020 terms.
You simply can't pay Olave top of the market money due to his concussion history.
It's a tough pill to swallow. There may be a team that is willing.
But, he's a hard hit away from being done.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:54 pm to saints5021
quote:
Trip and Underhill put his floor at the 32 million t
You can’t sign him to this in good faith. I’m sure Loomis will, tho.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:02 pm to moneyg
He had a healthy year. What more yall want? Sure let him go. We have Vele, Means and some other guys plus we can get a rookie WR or two in the draft. May work out may not but I guess we would still have Vele.
Some of you guys are gonna freak the f@ck out!!!
When Shoughs 2nd contract comes up. Biggest contract in Saints history by a long shot.
Some of you guys are gonna freak the f@ck out!!!
When Shoughs 2nd contract comes up. Biggest contract in Saints history by a long shot.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:25 pm to goatmilker
quote:
He had a healthy year. What more yall want? Sure let him go. We have Vele, Means and some other guys plus we can get a rookie WR or two in the draft. May work out may not but I guess we would still have Vele.
No.
Assuming his value is the 32M mark.
You have Vele, a bunch of other guys, and 32M to go after a different top of the market guy.
This isn't about feelings. The concussion issue on its own is a deal breaker. The clot issue is potentially another deal breaker.
Despite his play this year which was very good...you simply can't invest in him. It nobody's fault.
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:33 pm to moneyg
George Pickens (WR – DAL) Great over 30 mill
Alec Pierce (WR – IND) Very good year bidding wars for this guy 25-30 mill?
Deebo Samuel (WR – WSH) getting older
Jauan Jennings (WR – SF) Sat out type of guy
Wan'Dale Robinson (WR – NYG) Smaller guy another bidding war
Mike Evans (WR – TB) Great very old never play here
Seems a weak field this year. But Pick on a 3-4 year deal hmmmmmm hell sign him up. Pick for 35 or Olave at 30 for 4 years..
Alec Pierce (WR – IND) Very good year bidding wars for this guy 25-30 mill?
Deebo Samuel (WR – WSH) getting older
Jauan Jennings (WR – SF) Sat out type of guy
Wan'Dale Robinson (WR – NYG) Smaller guy another bidding war
Mike Evans (WR – TB) Great very old never play here
Seems a weak field this year. But Pick on a 3-4 year deal hmmmmmm hell sign him up. Pick for 35 or Olave at 30 for 4 years..
This post was edited on 1/14/26 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 1/14/26 at 4:39 pm to goatmilker
quote:
Seems a weak field this year. But Pick on a 3-4 year deal hmmmmmm
Obviously he comes with his own risk. But, even that risk is nothing like Olav IMO.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:15 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:
When Olave plays fearless and with focus, he is an absolute WR1. His route running is elite, and he can excel at any route on any part of the field. I think the WR2 talk was more due to his unreliability for a while (drops, short arming catches), not his size. If people think size dictates WR1v2, they are wrong. Talent does
Damn, that’s quite the change in tune from what you said two short months ago lol
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:23 am to goatmilker
quote:
Seems a weak field this year. But Pick on a 3-4 year deal hmmmmmm hell sign him up. Pick for 35 or Olave at 30 for 4 years..
Like I said months ago, the time to trade for him was in the offseason for a 3rd, Loomis chose to trade our 4th for Vele. Had our shot for a true #1 receiver for way below value.
You not getting him in free agency nor would I want to. That ship has sailed.
Ones a head case, the other a major injury liability….
This post was edited on 1/15/26 at 12:26 am
Posted on 1/15/26 at 12:43 am to Townedrunkard
quote:
Like I said months ago, the time to trade for him was in the offseason for a 3rd, Lo
Yeah with Rattler as the starter
the guy who is a bad character guy as well when we’re trying to build a program For a one year rental
Posted on 1/15/26 at 7:18 am to Chad504boy
No way that Olave will sign for just 20 mil
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:40 am to monster2024
There is no way Olave signs for less than 32 million. Garret Wilson signed for that last year and Olave has superior stats and an all-pro nod now. 32 million is his absolute floor.
Posted on 1/15/26 at 8:52 am to Townedrunkard
What sure fire #1 WR at way below value did we refuse to get?
What offer for Olave did we turn down?
What offer for Olave did we turn down?
Posted on 1/15/26 at 9:10 am to St Augustine
Dr St Aug, here’s a serious question for you.If a patient taking Xarelto sustains a bruise on the upper arm that doesnt go away. Over time, can that bruise actually erupt through the epidermis and create a wound on the arm?
I have to re-negotiate my contract at home, and I’m just curious…
I have to re-negotiate my contract at home, and I’m just curious…
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