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re: 164 years ago today: "No terms but unconditional and immediate surrender can be accepted."
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:14 pm to Strannix
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:14 pm to Strannix
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This is word play trick that the drunk butcher's defenders like to throw out.
It is not. It's historical fact.
From 1862-1865, Robert E. Lee suffered 209,000 total casualties (killed, wounded, and missing). Over a similar period, Grant suffered 154,000 total casualties.
Lee almost always lost a higher percentage of his men than his opponents. The only exceptions being Second Manassas and Fredericksburg.
Seven Days Battles:
McClellan: 15%
Lee: 22%
Second Manassas:
Pope: 16%
Lee: 13%
Antietam:
McClellan: 14%
Lee: 27%
Chancellorsville:
Hooker: 12%
Lee: 22%
Gettysburg:
Meade: 23%
Lee: 37%
Overland Campaign:
Grant/Meade: 46%
Lee: 52%
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Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:16 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Grant and Sherman’s ’ recovery at Missionary Ridge after the bloodbath at Chicamagua was as strategically significant as any battle fought in the East and supports your point. If not earlier, the Confederate States’ were certainly done in after Chattanooga,
Once the Union had control of the Tennessee Mississippi and Cumberland Rivers the South was dead in the water. New Orleans controlled access to the sea. Control of the other two meant that the Union could float and land armies into the heart of Confederate territory.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:16 pm to Tmcgin
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And it was about slavery....read SC MS and TX succession declaration
it=Secession or the war?
In part, slavery was a topic for secession but why ignore SC, Miss, Ga listing the North's refusal to extradite the John Brown co-conspirators "Secret Six IIRC) as it was stated in the Constitution that when committing a crime in one State and fleeing to another shall be delivered back to the State for trial.
Understanding history is both the North and the South had an erosion of trust that became more and more caustic up to and through secession and culminating with the firing on Sumter.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:17 pm to Cuz413
quote:because of slavery
Understanding history is both the North and the South had an erosion of trust
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
I'm talking about Lee vs. Grant you ingrate
Muh percentages lol, clown world.
Its rumored Grant was black out drunk the 45 minutes they lost 7000 men
Muh percentages lol, clown world.
Its rumored Grant was black out drunk the 45 minutes they lost 7000 men
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:20 pm to Salviati
quote:
Why do people think they can take things that do not belong to them
What claim does a citizen in Kentucky have against a citizen in Hawaii if Hawaii decides to secede? This is completely ignoring Federalism
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:21 pm to Strannix
The North won. Time to get over it bud.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:22 pm to Strannix
Where the drunk butcher really did the most damage was in his corrupt abomination of a presidency. SAD
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:24 pm to Cuz413
quote:As opposed to the confederate soldiers fighting on the behalf of slave owners
Yankees were, and still are, spineless, money hungry, cowards that have other men fight their battles.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:29 pm to Powerman
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The North won. Time to get over it bud.
Doesnt mean Grant wasnt a drunk butchet
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:32 pm to Salviati
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Do you think it would be okay for Cuba to shell Naval Station Guantanamo Bay for 34 hours? Would it be okay if all Cuba did was make the U.S. forces leave the base? Or do you think that would be an act of war?
Oh ffs. At least be honest. The only reason Cuba hasn’t kicked us out of Gitmo is that they cant. When a revolutionary army unalived the previous regime, our lease for Gitmo instantly became a worthless piece of paper. It wasn't the same country anymore. The only reason we’re still there is at the demand of the Cuban exile community that we continue to wave our dicks in the face of the Castros. “Legality” doesn’t have Jack shite to do with it. Its all pure power politics. Which is exactly what the Civil War was. Power politics. One region felt they had nothing in common with the other anymore. They wanted to go their own way. The North wouldn't let them leave. Because Empires get larger, not smaller. And they were willing to kill to prevent the loss of territory. Its was the US’s time at the top of the Empire club. Some cotton pickers weren’t going to be allowed to stand in the way of that.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:38 pm to Strannix
I didnt have 5 pages and counting on Fort Donelson on the ole bingo card 
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:49 pm to DesScorp
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And they were willing to kill
Posted on 2/16/26 at 3:52 pm to RollTide1987
quote:
164 years ago today
Right about the time we lost this country for good too.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:02 pm to Cuz413
quote:JUST FLAT WRONG.
Salmon P. Chase (Chief Justice), Noah Swayne, Samuel Miller, David Davis, and Stephen Field were appointed by Lincoln
the other 3 were not appointed by Lincoln and dissented in the 5-3 ruling.
Majority Opinion:
Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase appointed by Lincoln.
Justice David Davis appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Stephen Johnson Field appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Samuel Nelson appointed by Tyler.
Justice Nathan Clifford appointed by Buchanan.
Concurring Opinion:
Justice Noah H. Swayne appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Samuel F. Miller appointed by Lincoln.
Dissenting Opinion:
Justice Robert C. Grier appointed by Polk.
All but Justice Grier agreed that secession was unconstitutional. Both Justice Nelson and Justice Clifford agreed that secession was unconstitutional.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:04 pm to Strannix
quote:
I'm talking about Lee vs. Grant you ingrate
You are talking about the fight where Grant managed to pin Lee down, force him to fight battles on his terms, and besiege him south of the James River in just six weeks? Pretty impressive when you consider the fact that every previous opponent had given Lee the time and inclination to launch a counterattack. Grant gave Lee no such occasion.
The casualties were high, to be sure, but Grant was on the offensive against an entrenched foe. Military theory then as well as now dictates the attacker have a 2-to-1 advantage over the army defending due to the latter's inherent advantages.
quote:
Its rumored Grant was black out drunk the 45 minutes they lost 7000 men
Fascinating. Lee did that sober on the afternoon of July 3, 1863, when he ordered Pickett's Charge. At least Grant had the excuse of being drunk.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:08 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:
because of slavery
because of money
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:12 pm to Cuz413
quote:
Glad you like the overbearing Federal Government, because I for one despise it.
I bet you boycott the NFL and tell everyone on Facebook about it
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:17 pm to Salviati
quote:
Majority Opinion:
Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase appointed by Lincoln.
Justice David Davis appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Stephen Johnson Field appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Samuel Nelson appointed by Tyler.
Justice Nathan Clifford appointed by Buchanan.
Concurring Opinion:
Justice Noah H. Swayne appointed by Lincoln.
Justice Samuel F. Miller appointed by Lincoln.
Dissenting Opinion:
Justice Robert C. Grier appointed by Polk.
All but Justice Grier agreed that secession was unconstitutional. Both Justice Nelson and Justice Clifford agreed that secession was unconstitutional.
I stand corrected on the ruling being 5 majority were Lincoln appointees
Posted on 2/16/26 at 4:17 pm to DesScorp
quote:Pursuant to the 1934 Treaty Between the United States of America and Cuba, the lease can only be terminated: (1) by mutual agreement of both governments to end or modify the lease, or (2) the U.S. ceases to use the area for coaling and naval station purposes. The lease is perpetual; it does not have a fixed expiration date. The U.S. has indefinite control as long as it does not abandon the site.
Oh ffs. At least be honest. The only reason Cuba hasn’t kicked us out of Gitmo is that they cant. When a revolutionary army unalived the previous regime, our lease for Gitmo instantly became a worthless piece of paper. It wasn't the same country anymore. The only reason we’re still there is at the demand of the Cuban exile community that we continue to wave our dicks in the face of the Castros. “Legality” doesn’t have Jack shite to do with it. Its all pure power politics.
Treaty Between the United States of America and Cuba; May 29, 1934
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