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re: Beach drama - tent people vs chair service
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:29 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:29 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Leave
I like reading these threads just to remind myself that I should be grateful and happy that I am not there today.
I vastly prefer work.
It is almost mid July. Wait another 8 weeks and you can set your tent up anywhere you want....Florida beaches are pretty damn nice about 2 weeks after labor day.
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Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:33 am to Funky Tide 8
2 sets and an extra umbrella.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:37 am to BabyTac
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Haven’t been to 30A in years and have zero desire to be around that level of trash.
Say what you want about 30A, but they have rules prohibiting people from setting up their trashy tent cities in front of families who have paid for beach umbrellas/chairs.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:40 am to GEAUXT
people always look at me funny or chuckle when I say Im bringing my family to Pass Christian for vacation.... but I'll never deal with this bullshite.
we went middle of June this year and there were no more than 5 families on the beach at a given time. Yall have fun with this shite though to say yall went to a better beach. My 3 year old doesnt care how clear the water is but I sure care I don't have to cozy up to trash
we went middle of June this year and there were no more than 5 families on the beach at a given time. Yall have fun with this shite though to say yall went to a better beach. My 3 year old doesnt care how clear the water is but I sure care I don't have to cozy up to trash
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:41 am to RealDawg
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I know the 200’ of public beach near us in Destin is hilarious to watch fill up while we sit on over priced chairs unencumbered being serviced by FSU tiki girls.
There ain't no private beach below the mean high water line that is the average sea level elevation at high tide over a 19 year period...everything below that mark is public and accessible to the public. This is not just the "wet sand" of the day or last couple of days, it is a quantitative measurement that is well established. There is also the customary use concept that says even when an owner has a deed extended to the MHWL if the sandy area above and adjacent to the MHWL has been customarily used within the last 50 - 70 years it too is open to the public...this technically applies to almost every beach in Florida but it is a gray area and cops don't have a clue. Chances are pretty good that those no trespassing and private beach signs are not worth the plastic they are printed on. Of course when the local authorities are corrupt or incompetent anything is possible.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:42 am to Funky Tide 8
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but come on, the beach isn't just the beach. There are just about as many(but different) outdoor activities to do here as there are in Colorado.
but they all involve salt water and sand, so they really arent that different. it's like getting mexican food. different combinations - same ingredients.
point taken though, if you are ok with sand, salt water, and sandy salt water, there are a lot of activities at the beach.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:43 am to BoogaBear
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The one that bothers me is when you rent a beach front home and the people that rent the 2nd and 3rd tier houses set up right in front of your house.
At least try to setup between houses or in an open area, I paid extra so I can walk straight down the boardwalk and set up.
I bet you have won a sailing regatta with a restored restaurant, no?
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:45 am to AwgustaDawg
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There ain't no private beach below the mean high water line
a friend of mine has a condo in Destin with a pretty good sized private beach, we grease the palms of the cabana boys(who also get to keep their chairs and umbrellas on the property,) to patrol it during the day, they set up for us to see the sun come up and take everything down at sunset
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:47 am to baldona
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Chair companies literally have a contract with every property they set up at that stipulates this.
The customary use concept is how it is possible to set up anywhere near the chair concessions. The hotel owns the beach above the MHWL but the fact that the beach has been used by the public regularly for 50-70 years means the hotel can't prevent the public from using their property on the beach. There ain't much, if any beach in Florida, where the public has not accessed the beach since 1975, let alone 1955. Chances are pretty good that the private beach, no trespassing signs are meaningless where they exist....
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:49 am to baldona
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Oh lord. Here comes one of you people that think a beach on the gulf is a magical place owned by no one.
Someone owns the beach you dumb frick. This may shock you, but most beaches are private property.
This is going to shock you more, the counties and city of Destin in the Destin and south Walton area both have contracts with beach service companies with the beach they “own”.
So yes, they own the beach and have a contract with the beach owner.
They do indeed but the customary use concept has been challenged many many many times and has failed everytime.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:51 am to nes2010
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For Florida it's usually up to the Mean High Water Line. The beach below that is state property and public.
There is also customary use. Someone may own the property, it is highly doubtful the public can't use it...
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:51 am to BrohemAlem11
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people always look at me funny or chuckle when I say Im bringing my family to Pass Christian for vacation.... but I'll never deal with this bullshite.
I love PC and the MS coast overall, but the water is definitely a deal breaker generally. Hell, it’s not just the water, the bottom is also all sludgy and stuff. The only cool thing I’ve done in the water there is spear flounder and jet ski.
But other than the water, agree there’s always a huge stretch of sparsely populated sandy beach. Too bad the water can’t be improved but that’s the muddy Mississippi River for you.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:52 am to Bard
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Yes, it does. At least part of it.
In Florida, a property owner's beach ownership extends to the MHWL (Mean High Water Line), meaning that if they contract with a chair company the chair company is essentially enforcing the owner's right to remove any personal chairs, umbrellas, etc. For example, this shows the MHWL for Destin.
The state holds the area below the MHWL in public trust, meaning those areas are open to the public and chair companies trying to FA with your shizzy can FO if you want.
The legal concept of customary use begs to differ....and has lost everytime.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:53 am to Sam Quint
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but they all involve salt water and sand, so they really arent that different. it's like getting mexican food. different combinations - same ingredients.
point taken though, if you are ok with sand, salt water, and sandy salt water, there are a lot of activities at the beach
I just spent a week in Utah, and the dry dust, dirt, lack of water, and general arid-ness was comparable to the uncomfortableness of sand, and salt. My sinuses bled pretty much the whole time.
But, I fkn love it out there, and will gladly deal with the dryness to spend time out there.
This post was edited on 7/10/25 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:55 am to AwgustaDawg
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Chances are pretty good that the private beach, no trespassing signs are meaningless where they exist....
pretty much the only things that give any of these condo owners leverage are 1) they probably know all the cops that might be called to enforce the seat / "trespassing" stuff and 2) no one wants to deal with the legal hassle it would take to win in the end, even if their cause is righteous.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:58 am to AwgustaDawg
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Oh lord. Here comes one of you people that think a beach on the gulf is a magical place owned by no one.
Someone owns the beach you dumb frick. This may shock you, but most beaches are private property.
This is going to shock you more, the counties and city of Destin in the Destin and south Walton area both have contracts with beach service companies with the beach they “own”.
So yes, they own the beach and have a contract with the beach owner.
They do indeed but the customary use concept has been challenged many many many times and has failed everytime.
Here's some reading for you
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Walton County, Florida’s “customary use” lawsuit – seeking to protect the public’s right to recreate on the panhandle-County’s sandy beaches – has settled out of court for many beachfront properties. The County’s lawsuit, filed in 2018 pursuant to HB 631, sought a judicial declaration of the public’s recreational rights to the dry sand based on historic customary use, and had been scheduled to go to trial this spring. The settlement between the County and settling property owners, filed with the Circuit Court of the First Judicial Circuit in and for Walton County, Florida provides specific limited public rights to a strip of dry sand, as described more below. However, the issue of the public’s rights to the dry sand seems far from clear, and conflicts far from over. While Surfrider appreciates the County’s efforts to protect the public’s customary use rights, the rights established in the agreement are far more restrictive than the public’s historic use, and the agreement creates significant ambiguities.
The settlement allows the public to use the 20 feet landward of the “wet/dry sand line” (the “transitory zone”) on the owners’ parcels for the following limited purposes:
(1) transitory purposes like walking and running;
(2) accessing the wet sand and ocean for swimming, surfing, surf fishing, and skim boarding; and
(3) stationary uses like sitting, or laying on the sand, towel or privately owned beach chair (not from a vendor), between the limited hours of 9 am and 4 pm.
Thus, while the public may use the 20-foot strip of dry sand for transitory purposes at any time, users may only stop on the dry sand – stand, sit, or lay – between the limited hours of 9 am and 4 pm. These are alarmingly restrictive hours. In summer, for example, the sun doesn’t set until after 7:30 pm in Walton County, which means there will be a significant period of daylight when people can’t stop on the dry sand. The agreement also prohibits members of the public from using umbrellas and chairs seaward of the wet / dry line, which means there will often be several hours where the public is left without sun protection from umbrellas.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 11:59 am to Havoc
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But other than the water, agree there’s always a huge stretch of sparsely populated sandy beach. Too bad the water can’t be improved but that’s the muddy Mississippi River for you.
It's a trade off sliding scale of what do you wanna prioritize. a beach trip I'll take peace and space for my son over nice water all day..would I rather have better water..for sure... but not if I gotta deal with tent cities full of jackassess blaring their bluetooth speakers
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is almost mid July. Wait another 8 weeks and you can set your tent up anywhere you want....Florida beaches are pretty damn nice about 2 weeks after labor day.
30A is nice and basically empty starting mid-August
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:05 pm to GEAUXT
If the condo complex owns the land the chairs are set up on, I’m team chair service. They own the land you tent gypsies.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 12:15 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Does anybody know anything about "customary use"?
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