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re: Crecent Dunes Project in Nevada...
Posted on 2/11/26 at 12:57 pm to billjamin
Posted on 2/11/26 at 12:57 pm to billjamin
quote:When one can be left to rot when done...and the other requires many decades of of dry storage once past it's cooling pool storage.... but what the hell that's someone else's problem (which no one wants).
and O&M expense disparities between the two.
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Posted on 2/11/26 at 12:59 pm to Lonnie Utah
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There's nuclear's advantage.
How so?
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Question is, does that go away when you have to account for long term waste storage costs?
It’s an o&m expense
quote:nope that’s why I have a job.
there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:00 pm to 9Fiddy
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. All that land
Yeah, the land is at a premium out there
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:02 pm to billjamin
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It’s an o&m expense
That's a future problem though. The next generation can worry about that while I get mines.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:03 pm to awestruck
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When one can be left to rot when done...and the other requires many decades of of dry storage once past it's cooling pool storage.... but what the hell that's someone else's problem (which no one wants).
I’ve never seen any energy deal that didn’t include decommissioning and remediation expenses baked in to the model. They might exist, but they’re rare. Just like o&g.
This post was edited on 2/11/26 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:06 pm to fightin tigers
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That's a future problem though. The next generation can worry about that while I get mines.
We have reserve accounts that are setup for that and an administrator. Typically the servicer and a backup with a tertiary for mega deals.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:10 pm to billjamin
Oh yeah, Im sure the remediation is never skimped and lowered due to "tons of research"
Would the only shortcut not taken in a major project.
Would the only shortcut not taken in a major project.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:12 pm to billjamin
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I’ve never seen any energy deal that didn’t include decommissioning and remediation expenses baked in to the model. They might exist, but they’re rare. Just like o&g.
What about in the case of bankruptcy? Who is responsible for decom and remediation then?
I ask because the project has had so many problems that they've filed for bankruptcy multiple times (most recently last month) and it has been largely non-operational since then.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:13 pm to jmorr34
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The Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project is a solar thermal power project with an installed capacity of 110 megawatt and 1.1 gigawatt-hours of energy storage located near Tonopah, about 190 miles northwest of Las Vegas.
Until now, Tonopah has been designated as a Dark Sky area, It attracts amateur astronomers from across the Western USA.
I guess we can kiss that goodbye.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:13 pm to fightin tigers
quote:im sure it happens on some small ones but anything that’s going to the abs market which is basically anything over $200MM needs to withstand independent engineer and rating agency scrutiny. We have baseline assumptions and if we deviate it comes off the fmv on the securitization to make up the difference.
Oh yeah, Im sure the remediation is never skimped and lowered due to "tons of research" Would the only shortcut not taken in a major project.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:13 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Crescent Dunes 110 MW 300 ac ˜ 367 kW/acre
River Bend 1,010 MW 3,300 ac ˜ 306 kW/acre
How much water does it take to cool a solar plant?
I will never understand all the hate for solar. Easy passive energy.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:19 pm to 9Fiddy
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Whereas a small modular nuclear reactor typically produces 300 MW
SMRs are the future of energy but they're not exactly "modular" yet. It's almost just as expensive to build a traditional plant.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:32 pm to DCTiger
quote:Great flick BTW
The movie has the usual tropes and stereotypes — evil white European mastermind, corrupt black military leaders, female environmental do-gooder, white savior played by Matthew McConaughey.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:59 pm to Bard
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What about in the case of bankruptcy? Who is responsible for decom and remediation then?
The servicer or backup. The reserve accounts survive a bankruptcy.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 1:59 pm to auggie
Didnt they just start disassembling one in California because it never generated anywhere near the power they claimed and it killed all sorts of wildlife?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:00 pm to TimeOutdoors
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How much water does it take to cool a solar plant?
these actually do need water because it uses mirrors to heat water in a tower and drive a turbine. I'm unclear on their water consumption vs nuclear. This is infantile tech at best.
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I will never understand all the hate for solar. Easy passive energy.
Because it's been politicized.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:14 pm to billjamin
It's interesting, both times Musk has been w Rogan and energy was touched on, Elon said all it would take is 110 sq/km in rural Utah to power the entire grid consumption of the USA. And he was dead serious. Im surprised he hasn't tried to experiment with it more in a place like rural Utah or New Mexico.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:40 pm to TimeOutdoors
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I will never understand all the hate for solar. Easy passive energy.
I'm nor for or against any kind of energy. They all have the +/-'s and they all have a place on the grid.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:42 pm to TimeOutdoors
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How much water does it take to cool a solar plant?
Probably a lot less if you mix in some prestone 12.
If your solar energy plant is overheating, maybe you should consider lunar energy.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:42 pm to auggie
See it when we drive to Vegas.
Seems other worldly. It's crazy yuge.
Looks like a giant Flashy Thingy from MIB.
Seems other worldly. It's crazy yuge.
Looks like a giant Flashy Thingy from MIB.
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