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re: Dock workers at ports get a 62% pay increase
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:17 pm to back9Tiger
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:17 pm to back9Tiger
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Hey genius, you do know that the American people are the ones paying for the 60% increase, right? Companies don't absorb rate hikes, we do.
frick unions.
You can't comprehend the money these shipping companies make. See my math above. Even if they did choose to hike their prices by .25%, the increase would be so diluted by the time products hit the retail shelves that you wouldn't know it. We're talking fractions of a fricking penny, dude.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:17 pm to back9Tiger
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Hey genius, you do know that the American people are the ones paying for the 60% increase, right? Companies don't absorb rate hikes, we do.
frick unions.
F the giant corporations, then, too. No matter what happens, the average person loses.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:18 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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ecause you aren't the ones who just got a 60% pay increase
You and I are paying for it.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:21 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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retail shelves that you wouldn't know it. We're talking fractions of a fricking penny, dude.
then why not round it up to an even penny and give them each a million dollars a year? Their families would be able to live much higher quality of lives. Why would you deny them that ability?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:22 pm to Dog Tree
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Unions are no longer organized labor. They are now organized crime. All Unions should be obolished.
What an idiot.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You and I are paying for it.
You understand that by taking this stance you are against any and all raises across any and all industries for anyone?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:24 pm to Volvagia
quote:So the standard wage is increased by 61% over the next 6 years? Really? Automation is the answer but the dockworkers know that and are fighting it.
You do realize the pay increase is. In line with standard wage increases right?
They haven’t had a pay increase since before COVID and this one is spread out over 6 years
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:24 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You understand that by taking this stance you are against any and all raises that way above the average wage for this work across any and all industries for anyone?
I think he gets it
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:30 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You understand that by taking this stance you are against any and all raises across any and all industries for anyone?
Not in the least. Why are you against progress?
But I am against slightly or non skilled jobs getting bumped 62% over a few years.
This strategy of thinking every job requires a living wage, or workers always deserve more is counter to human development. People stop developing and become comfortable where they are.
Demanding no automation proves this theory correct. It will cause their industries to fall behind and become obsolete.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:30 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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The frick do you think budgets are based on if not revenue?
Haha. Revenue and budget are very different things, you moron. I asked for a percentage of budget. Posting revenue numbers is completely irrelevant. Just because a budget can be derived from revenue, does not mean they are the same thing. Good Lord.
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Nah, you're pissed I actually took the time to layout the costs and proved they're miniscule.
You did no such thing. You made a completely unsubstantiated claim and I called you out on it. You have admitted it is unsubstantiated. Moron.
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It pays to care about nuance and facts instead of just joining the crowd and jabbering on about "durrrr price increases!!!" "durrr unions" "durrr capitalism".
You have yet to post a single fact. Classic liberal projection.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:32 pm to Odysseus32
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I don't get the hate for these guys.
Forklift and dock work isn't a high skill job, but it's not something you want to leave to anyone willing to operate the machine.
I've worked with some teenager/early 20s forklift operators and it's kind of dangerous to be around someone who treats the lift like a toy in a warehouse, let alone an actual dock where precision is necessary.
I'm sure some imported mexicans would do the same job for 1/4th the pay with the same quality of work.
They can stay for as long as they are working at the port. Back to Mexico when they want to leave. Get a new replacement as they leave and start working on automation during this period.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:36 pm to NOSHAU
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Automation is the answer but the dockworkers know that and are fighting it.
Its hard to believe an employer would willingly put their port at a competitive disadvantage by swearing off automation.
Just a hunch, Dock worker jobs are about to decrease in number.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:36 pm to 225Tyga
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The more they pay the workers…the more the companies charge for services…the more all of the goods will cost.
This is how and why prices for everyday items go up.
Companies raise prices on goods anyway. This just gives them an excuse to do it.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its hard to believe an employer would willingly put their port at a competitive disadvantage by swearing off automation.
Just a hunch, Dock worker jobs are about to decrease in number.
Yep, imagine agreeing to that instead of firing them all and hiring replacements tomorrow.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:46 pm to Dog Tree
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Unions are no longer organized labor. They are now organized crime.
All Unions should be obolished.
Yeah I mean companies have proven time and time again that they have our best interest at heart
I mean my company certainly wouldn't increase cost at a higher percentage than they raise my pay, making it harder and harder for me to afford things.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They make horrible decisions. Their current crisis will lead to automation sooner, not later.
The automation is happening which is part of the reason that they wanted to strike.
Going forward they hope this agreement will slow it down but it’s going to happen outside of the agreement. There will be others that have nothing to do with these workers that will automate
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:52 pm to ThoseGuys
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Yeah I mean companies have proven time and time again that they have our best interest at heart
Why should they? Make yourself valuable and you will get paid.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 2:59 pm to SlidellCajun
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The automation is happening which is part of the reason that they wanted to strike.
Theyre not stopping it, regardless of what they believe.
When the wages rise, employers buy less of it. They'll start replacing these guys.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:13 pm to BBONDS25
Bless your heart.
I've been working a long time. In every major company I have worked for they have fired or laid off all their veteran workers to bring in people at a lower wage. I've seen entire departments fired only to be rehired as contract workers.
I've been working a long time. In every major company I have worked for they have fired or laid off all their veteran workers to bring in people at a lower wage. I've seen entire departments fired only to be rehired as contract workers.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 3:24 pm to ThoseGuys
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