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Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:34 pm to camoedoutlander
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I work in commercial, it’s extremely long hours
Just to clarify, what do you consider extremely long hours?
ETA: because if you get into industrial it will only get worse
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:50 am to elprez00
Would you recommend switching to industrial? I started off two years ago as a PE in commercial for a top 25 GC and have since been bumped up twice to a PM. I’m working 60-80’s although only required/expected 40-50/week, but it has paid off in terms of raises and promotions.
Does the commercial side translate at all to industrial? I don’t know anyone in the field back home in LA or elsewhere but if I’m working 70-80+ a week I’d like to see something other than an 85k base and moderate benefits to manage over $200M in work.
Does the commercial side translate at all to industrial? I don’t know anyone in the field back home in LA or elsewhere but if I’m working 70-80+ a week I’d like to see something other than an 85k base and moderate benefits to manage over $200M in work.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:03 am to Hunter6868
Industrial has higher pay, but certainly won’t have you working fewer hours. It also requires you to often be a nomad unless you get on good with a plant on the maintenance/turnaround side. Also, Industrial and Commercial share almost nothing in common unless you’re doing foundations and dirt work. It’s easy to move between residential and commercial as well as between heavy highway and industrial (if you’re doing dirt work), but outside of site prep, industrial is all piping, vessels, insulation, and ironwork. If you’re an HVAC or electrical/instrumentation sub, you could transition that way.
I started out doing commercial electric and ended up in industrial electric/instrumentation. The concepts are the same, but the scale is simply absurd.
I started out doing commercial electric and ended up in industrial electric/instrumentation. The concepts are the same, but the scale is simply absurd.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:13 am to Tigahhs97
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How good of a field is CM actually? Does it pay well? Thanks
Don't take the shortcut with the CM degree, just grind it out and get an engineering degree.
Considering the experience of 2 employees to be equal, someone with an engineering degree can get any job that someone with a CM degree can, but a CM degree can not get every job that an engineering degree can.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:13 am to Tigahhs97
Yes. My son just graduated in December with a CM degree and is doing very well.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:15 am to Hunter6868
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but if I’m working 70-80+ a week I’d like to see something other than an 85k base and moderate benefits to manage over $200M in work.
then you should start your own business
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:20 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Don't take the shortcut with the CM degree, just grind it out and get an engineering degree. Considering the experience of 2 employees to be equal, someone with an engineering degree can get any job that someone with a CM degree can, but a CM degree can not get every job that an engineering degree can.
This. Everyone in management at my current job has a civil degree. Get the degree and get on track for the PE license.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:22 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Yes. My son just graduated in December with a CM degree and is doing very well.
well, that settles it, I'm going back to school!
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:24 am to cgrand
I will add to this that I got my CM from LSU. Worked for Boh Bros right out of college. Working for a GC is stressful. I left and moved to the owners side as a project manager. Way less stress and more steady work when you get in to facilities department type of work. Can easily make over $100k if you are competent and prove your value.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:26 am to Tigahhs97
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What’s a QC?
Quality Control... but a degree won’t get you this position at most companies... experience in the actual field is usually the requirement...
Posted on 9/17/19 at 9:43 am to lepdagod
I’ve spent some time looking at getting into CM. I’m 31 so it would be a career change, but I like being out the office. I do some small project management stuff now, but the pay just isn’t there at my company. Im not sure that it will be either.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:06 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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CM grads make more than CE grads, at least from LSU.
Usually starting CE pay as a design engineer is less than starting CM pay. But alot of CE grads are going straight into project management now and taking those CM jobs. Also CE grads tend to move up easier.
Also here along the gulf coast is much smarter to get the engineering degree. The chemical plants are always looking for good project engineers essentially doing CM work. They will not hire CM grads in 90%+ of the cases.
Overall your ceiling is much higher in most cases with civil degree and a much more diverse job market. I eventually got tired of the turnarounds so I left and took a job with a chemical plant.
Like the poster said, civil/mech can get any job the CM guys are applying for. The opposite is not true.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:16 am to lsu777
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Like the poster said, civil/mech can get any job the CM guys are applying for. The opposite is not true
Even so, CM is a good field to get into with a good starting pay and potential to grow. In the Gulf South, you will always have job opportunities.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:21 am to LSUbase13
Architect here checking in...good architects listen to the construction guys like its gospel. Most of the ones I know are smart as shite and work their asses off. The good ones make bank but are always working weekends when I'm fishing and are always moving to the next project. You can tell the sketchy ones b/c they hop companies too much.
the ones willing to work with common sense and some summer time construction experience will have their pick of offers out of school. Starting salaries unfortunately are pretty low. My firm does large, major projects and right now we are having trouble finding good qualified young people. LSU, State, AU, Tech puts out good grads that can hit the ground running. Tulane arch grads are damned near unemployable - too much entitlement and laziness. Have a friend thats an arch prof at Tulane and he's kinda on the same page about that.
if there is a high-profile project with a lot of sexy design potential, every partner in every firm will claw over each other like crabs in a bucket to be on the front cover of some magazine. The GC president will be there at the ribbon cutting - likely the first time they laid eyes on the project. And the PMs have already moved on to the next hitch. You can have it, just pay me. Sexy dont pay my hunting lease, kid's tuition, etc. Two days a week I'm taking clients to lunch after a dog n pony show trying to get the next job. Two days a week I'm on a site wearing steel toes working out design conflicts because engineers raced the drawings to bid with out adequate QA/QC. One day is spent catching up on 5 days of emails. Saturdays, I go to my camp in NELA and shoot pigs & coyotes until I feel better.
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Architects don’t get jobs
the ones willing to work with common sense and some summer time construction experience will have their pick of offers out of school. Starting salaries unfortunately are pretty low. My firm does large, major projects and right now we are having trouble finding good qualified young people. LSU, State, AU, Tech puts out good grads that can hit the ground running. Tulane arch grads are damned near unemployable - too much entitlement and laziness. Have a friend thats an arch prof at Tulane and he's kinda on the same page about that.
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architecture degree. It’s much more “sexy” work
if there is a high-profile project with a lot of sexy design potential, every partner in every firm will claw over each other like crabs in a bucket to be on the front cover of some magazine. The GC president will be there at the ribbon cutting - likely the first time they laid eyes on the project. And the PMs have already moved on to the next hitch. You can have it, just pay me. Sexy dont pay my hunting lease, kid's tuition, etc. Two days a week I'm taking clients to lunch after a dog n pony show trying to get the next job. Two days a week I'm on a site wearing steel toes working out design conflicts because engineers raced the drawings to bid with out adequate QA/QC. One day is spent catching up on 5 days of emails. Saturdays, I go to my camp in NELA and shoot pigs & coyotes until I feel better.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:53 am to rowbear1922
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Even so, CM is a good field to get into with a good starting pay and potential to grow. In the Gulf South, you will always have job opportunities
No doubt, I wasn't saying otherwise just clarifying.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 10:56 am to Duckhammer_77
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Sexy dont pay my hunting lease, kid's tuition, etc.
a-fricking-men.
i dont even put jobsite signs up. what i do and who i do it for is nobody's business but mine. and business is good
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:06 am to lsu777
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No doubt, I wasn't saying otherwise just clarifying.
I'd also say a CM grad with an MBA has limitless possibilities.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 11:06 am to Tigahhs97
Don’t go to college for a Vo-Tec degree...JMHO.
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