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re: Jordan Peterson is on Rogan today
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:27 am to Damone
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:27 am to Damone
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He is a grifter. He sells general, common sense ideas as some type of new age pseudo-spiritualism. Some people buy into it.
He's directly pushed back on extremely left wing/progressive ideology on an international level and has presented the scientific data to back it up.
I know you hate the dude, but you have an extremely short sided and smarmily self aggrandizing view of the situation.
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Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:30 am to SUB
quote:Yeah. That's how I was raised. Politics didn't become relevant (other than civics classes) until I was old enough to vote. My parents didn't force it on me, and neither did any of my friend's parents that I know of. I think I turned out just fine.
Your strategy was the norm for just about all kids just 20-30 years ago. I always find it disturbing when parents try pushing politics on to their kids, or when Adults think that we should place any value on a child's opinion in politics. There's a reason we have a voting age...it wasn't just some random afterthought.
Now I'm being told that this way of life (as I knew it) is putting blinders on my children
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:34 am to Palantir
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I mean, I'm not going to tell you who and what to follow.
You're smart enough to know the difference of opinionated grifters who's job is to make you pissed at something (and get paid handsomely for it), and a person you like to follow who simply has an opinion on a matter that you may disagree with, but then leaves it alone and goes back to doing whatever it is they do that you enjoy.
I realize that everyone has opinions on everything going on. I took it upon myself to figure out who is doing it for monetary, social, or divisive actions, and took them out. If someone simply has an opinion, says something about it & leaves it alone, then whatever. I'm not going to let that one opinion sway my judgement of their content.
I don't disagree with you at all. It sounds like we're actually on the exact same page about the things you're saying. But the person I was replying to was criticizing people on here for making everything about politics. If people like you and I have to form strategies to keep the toxic politics out of our daily lives, then it further proves that poster wrong -- it's not that we're making things political, it's that normal everyday topics that shouldn't be political have become political.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:42 am to efrad
quote:Agreed. On a grander scale of all things life, the fact that your comment above is being done is simply ridiculous
it's not that we're making things political, it's that normal everyday topics that shouldn't be political have become political.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 9:46 am to Damone
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He is a grifter. He sells general, common sense ideas as some type of new age pseudo-spiritualism. Some people buy into it.
Someone reads a lot of blue check mark types it seems.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:13 am to Palantir
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Yeah. That's how I was raised. Politics didn't become relevant (other than civics classes) until I was old enough to vote.
Politics weren't really relevant to me until Covid started. I knew of the seedy underbelly, but as long as it didn't directly affect my daily life, I took the "ignorance is bliss" approach. But we're in a new day. Politics is being forced down every American's throat. Now, I don't imprint that on my kids, but now I'm aware enough to understand we need to change things in order for our kids to be afforded the "ignorance is bliss" stance in the future. These progressives are unapologetically trying to transform our country, have come REALLY close to succeeding just over the last few weeks, and won't stop at any cost.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:32 am to VaeVictus
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He is a grifter. He sells general, common sense ideas as some type of new age pseudo-spiritualism. Some people buy into it.
Someone reads a lot of blue check mark types it seems.
Grifter is a term that progressives like to use when somebody that think should be on their plantation strays off the narrative.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:42 am to 3nOut
It’s the closing of the American mind. Anybody who strays from the Progressive orthodoxy and monetizes it, gets that label from the Democrat Party Palace Guard. Meanwhile they control virtually every actual grift in our country with absolute impunity. Jordan Peterson who pursues truth and subjects every one of his ideas to public scrutiny is thus a “ grifter” and 5,000 vapid pundits on The Left who hide in the shadows are brilliant. It’s all so predictable. Anybody who doesn’t toe the line gets destroyed and the sycophantic choir just repeats the narrative. He’s a Grifter !
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:53 am to Lsupimp
I wouldn’t call him a grifter. But he’s literally just a self-help writer with a psychology background.
I wouldn’t elevate him anymore than I would other self-help writers. Yet, like you just tried to sell it, some acts like he’s some enlightened Messiah. It’s weird.
I wouldn’t elevate him anymore than I would other self-help writers. Yet, like you just tried to sell it, some acts like he’s some enlightened Messiah. It’s weird.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:54 am to BluegrassBelle
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I wouldn’t call him a grifter. But he’s literally just a self-help writer with a psychology background.
I wouldn’t elevate him anymore than I would other self-help writers. Yet, like you just tried to sell it, some acts like he’s some enlightened Messiah. It’s weird.
Yeah, I’ve always enjoyed Peterson, but I do think his fame went to his head and then he had several shitty things to happen to him between his daughter and his wife which led to his pill addiction.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:00 am to OMLandshark
There are 2 types of 'intelligent' people. #1) Those that are 'book smart' & #2) Those that have original ideas.
Many of the #1 types desperately want to be the #2 types. That is Jordan Peterson. His next original idea will be his first. Any chance for him to develop an original idea is probably held back by his bizarre devotion to the importance of religious archetypes.
Many of the #1 types desperately want to be the #2 types. That is Jordan Peterson. His next original idea will be his first. Any chance for him to develop an original idea is probably held back by his bizarre devotion to the importance of religious archetypes.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:06 am to OMLandshark
Oh, great. A double dose of pseudo-intellectualism.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:08 am to Lsupimp
quote:
ordan Peterson who pursues truth and subjects every one of his ideas to public scrutiny is thus a “ grifter” and 5,000 vapid pundits on The Left who hide in the shadows are brilliant. It’s all so predictable.
quote:10/10 irony
Anybody who doesn’t toe the line gets destroyed and the sycophantic choir just repeats the narrative
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:15 am to BluegrassBelle
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I wouldn’t call him a grifter. But he’s literally just a self-help writer with a psychology background.
I wouldn’t elevate him anymore than I would other self-help writers. Yet, like you just tried to sell it, some acts like he’s some enlightened Messiah. It’s weird.
He's no "messiah," but if you think he's "just a self-help writer" then you're obviously not familiar with his body of work.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:21 am to efrad
When you learn his story with his health issues and the passing of his wife you can see where the roughness of the past years came from. I'm starting to see a softer version of him mainly b/c people aren't asking him the same exact questions over and over.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:44 am to BluegrassBelle
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Yet, like you just tried to sell it, some acts like he’s some enlightened Messiah. It’s weird.
Messiah? Wut? I truly loathe NPC bots like you who can't discuss a given topic honestly.
It's just pathetic. You've been so conditioned to attack people, you don't even attempt to rise above a Straw Man. It's sad for the culture. It's why we can't have nice stuff anymore.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:52 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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His next original idea will be his first.
He is well liked and respected by the right for so eloquently and succinctly stating obvious truths, and his effortless deconstruction of half truths and falsehoods propagated by leftists.
People aren't expecting original ideas... as a statement of how f'ed up everything is, someone who is not a leftist and comes out and states "two plus two does in fact equal four, and here's why" garners respect nowadays.
This post was edited on 1/26/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:52 am to BluegrassBelle
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I wouldn’t call him a grifter. But he’s literally just a self-help writer with a psychology background.
That's a pretty narrow view of his body of work.
"12 Rules for Life" is certainly self-help - although I think you underestimate how many people are dysfunctional and ill-prepared for adulthood. It is similar to Dave Ramsey's self-help texts. A person who is financially literate doesn't need Dave Ramsey. But most people are not financially literate and Ramsey is able to teach fiscal responsibility in simple terms.
But "12 Rules for Life" is a really small part of Peterson's work. For example, his lectures on biblical text and symbolism of the human condition are complex and intriguing.
Peterson is a brilliant guy who saw a problem that he could help people solve by making simple solutions. I hardly think that is being a grifter.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:58 am to OMLandshark
I can't stand to listen to podcasts, but some of the clips I've heard of this interview have been hilarious. Peterson doesn't seem to be a strong extemporaneous speaker, which was best exemplified by his hilarious performance in that Zizek debate. I don't see what you can get out of Peterson that you can't get out of Joseph Campbell or Jung himself.
Posted on 1/26/22 at 11:58 am to Lsupimp
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Messiah? Wut? I truly loathe NPC bots like you who can't discuss a given topic honestly. It's just pathetic. You've been so conditioned to attack people, you don't even attempt to rise above a Straw Man. It's sad for the culture. It's why we can't have nice stuff anymore.
it’s laziness.
The same type of folks will blast Rogan and want him cancelled, not because they’ve actually listened to a single episode or have taken the time to understand his POV. But because…
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