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Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:05 pm to Mr Breeze
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Most likely reason and NTSB will figure out the why.
I'm curious to read the final report and see what kind of physical evidence they find to determine what the plane was doing mechanically before/when it hit the ground.
"Air Disasters" on Smithsonian is one of my guilty pleasures. I find it fascinating to see how these people take a field of burning wreckage and recorded data and are able to work back to a root cause of the crash.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:44 pm to TigerstuckinMS
As a longtime pilot, my best guess is an engine failure shortly after takeoff. Just because someone thought they heard both engines running, it was probably just one engine at full power. That 40 year old Cheyenne did not have autofeather which can be a lifesaver and would automatically turn the big prop blades the Cheyenne had into the wind after an engine failure to tremendously reduce drag. If the pilot did not feather the correct prop very quickly after the engine failed on his own and then with all the drag of a spinning dead prop, and the other good engine at full power and the pilot then let it get slow, a thing called VMC takes over and will roll a plane over on its back and at that altitude your done.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:52 pm to roguetiger15
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Buddy of mine
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:17 pm to The Pirate King
Engines full blast? Pilot got lost in the clouds and fricked up.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:26 pm to MapGuy
God bless that guy - hope he feels the drugs and peace at night as he recovers. Been praying for the survivors 
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:45 pm to 777Tiger
Was hoping you’d chime in. Gracias.
Horrible any way you cut it.
Horrible any way you cut it.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 3:24 am to 777Tiger
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Left 330 heading would have been an aggie vector
Agree and a similar size plane heading to the same airport that took off 4 minutes earlier, headed right. Very seldom do planes bank left from that runway.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 5:34 am to 777Tiger
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the classic engine failure at a critical phase of flight and pic was overwhelmed and did not respond, all of this nonsense about, bank, inner ear, blah, blah, is nonsense, also doubt incapacity, this is just based of of OP
IOW...pilot error. Which is what is usually pointed to by the NTSB after a crash. Because that’s usually what it is.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 5:54 am to slackster
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Did the pilot have a heart attack or something?
What are the odds that the pilot had a heart attack, which left him unable to fly, yet the plane may have landed perfectly in a field avoiding apartments and Wal Mart if it weren't for power lines?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:04 am to The Pirate King
Remind me to never fly in a private small plane. Hear of these types of horror stories far too often.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:12 am to tigerinthebueche
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pilot error. Which is what is usually pointed to by the NTSB after a crash
While ultimately it concludes with pilot error, typically that error is in how the emergency was handled and not always the initial or root cause.
Engine failure climbing out in fog. Pilot not being able to see quickly see outside then begins the emergency procedures. Fails to notice he is banking hard left and crashes.
The pilot error is the pilots failure to manage the emergency. The emergency is the initial cause.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:30 am to BHM
How often does spatial D cause Air Force or Commercial Airline pilots to crash? Given Airlines have 2 pilots, how often does one get completely affected by Spatial D the other has to take over?
People keep saying “good pilots” but reference private plane crashes. That doesn’t mean they are a good pilot and they maybe not even that experienced. I’m a good driver but I couldn’t compete in a nascar race. I’m giving this pilot the benefit of the doubt this wasn’t the issue given his amount of hours and likely training considering the owner.
The owner of this business was in the Air Force right? Was he a pilot? I gotta assume he wasn’t hiring someone with questionable skills. Jfk JR had like 300 hours of flight time.
Just seems most likely to be an engine issue and he would have had a moderately safe crash landing if not for the power lines.
People keep saying “good pilots” but reference private plane crashes. That doesn’t mean they are a good pilot and they maybe not even that experienced. I’m a good driver but I couldn’t compete in a nascar race. I’m giving this pilot the benefit of the doubt this wasn’t the issue given his amount of hours and likely training considering the owner.
The owner of this business was in the Air Force right? Was he a pilot? I gotta assume he wasn’t hiring someone with questionable skills. Jfk JR had like 300 hours of flight time.
Just seems most likely to be an engine issue and he would have had a moderately safe crash landing if not for the power lines.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 6:31 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:45 am to Happygilmore
Yes
Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:50 am to The Pirate King
I heard one engine failed just after takeoff
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 6:58 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:44 am to baldona
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how often does one get completely affected by Spatial D
I completely affected your wife with my Spatial D just last night.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:56 pm to baldona
quote:Pretty much never. We are quite proficient in instrument flying since we do it regularly.
How often does spatial D cause Air Force or Commercial Airline pilots to crash?
It’s like anything else where the more you do it, the better you become at it. The dangerous thing about instrument flying is the proficiency and experience of the pilot. It’s not something you can do every couple of months and expect to do it safely, especially in marginal weather (thunderstorms and rain showers, snow) and low visibility instrument approaches to minimums. (200 ft ceilings and 1/2 mile visibility).
Basically, if you don’t do it on a regular basis (instrument flying) you shouldn’t do it in marginal conditions. It’s fine to take off into 1000’ overcast skies, climb on top above the overcast and descent through the overcast before your destination without having to shoot an approach, but that’s about where you should draw the line.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 7:59 pm
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