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re: Any idea what happened on my shot?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:08 pm to HogBalls
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:08 pm to HogBalls
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:20 pm to HogBalls
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I don't like the Noslers I'm trying to Coreloks next.
I've killed a lot of deer with Core Lokts in 270 and alt6 rounds. I can say they're very reliable and one used to could pick a box up at damn near every convenient store in an rural area 20 years ago for both calibers.
Times have changed, however. I now shoot Hornady 130 grain SST in both of my 270's and have very good luck with them. The trajectory is much better than the core lokts based on my experiences. I have 100 or so 270 hulls that I'm going to experiment with this off season. Barnes Vortex and accu bonds will be tested.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:24 pm to Cracker
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I dont deer hunt but why the hell would you "give him time" I see this often why not put another round in him?
When deer are injured they will usually go a short distance and lay down to conserve energy. If you make a marginal shot you do not want to disturb the deer once he lays down. Usually they will bleed out and never get up. But if you push them they will get up and keep getting further and further away.
If you have the deer in site then you should try to get another shot. But don't go looking for a deer you can't see until waiting at least 30 minutes and maybe 8 hours if you think you may have gut shot him.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:25 pm to HogBalls
Should have shot him another time
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:42 pm to Cracker
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dont deer hunt but why the hell would you "give him time" I see this often why not put another round in him? I mean won't him trying to get away or run etc won't that cause lactic acid and mess the meat up?
Two different things. Give him time has to do with after a deer runs off and is not longer visible, as said that's to give him time to die after a marginal shot.
Not shooting again is because of many reasons. It's natural to pause for a second or 3 after you shoot to see the deer's reaction, sometimes that's all the time you have and by the time you realize he's not going straight down or you made a marginal hit there's no longer a shot opportunity.
I would agree though and I'm certainly at fault for this, the natural reaction is shoot and look at how my shot was. The reaction should really be shoot once and try to shoot again immediately. That would probably end up in more found game, but it's not really natural to react that way without the experience of losing an animal.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:07 pm to Cracker
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I dont deer hunt but why the hell would you "give him time" I see this often why not put another round in him? I mean won't him trying to get away or run etc won't that cause lactic acid and mess the meat up?
Well when I shot he hit the ground and was laying on his side kicking a little with all fours. I get half way down my ladder and see him belly crawling. I was climbing down with my rifle on my shoulder. I couldn't do anything but watch him crawl off. Mistake #1: I didn't watch him thru my scope till he was done kicking. Overconfident that I smoked him.
I decided to give him time because it was getting dark and I thought he was mortally wounded. If he wasn't he would be running instead of crawling right? Well that's what I told myself at the time. I go to the truck and unload 4whheler and go ahead and fill my tag out, get a zip tie, and some rope to drag him. I couldn't believe he wasn't just laying there 10yds out of my lane.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:12 pm to HogBalls
Spinal shock, probably hit high, and clipped the spine. If they recover, they’ll usually be fine...
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:14 pm to baldona
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I was obviously being sarcastic
That's reassuring. Would sure be easier interpreting some posts if a "sarcasm" emoticon was available.
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but placement matters absolutely above and beyond everything else. If you don't shoot them in the heart and lungs or spine good luck, they can run a long way and take a long time to die.
Placement is indeed very important, but can be trumped at times by bullet choice. Even among hunting bullets, some just perform better than others.
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So again, a low shot with a fmj will bleed much much more than a high shot with a
highly expanding bullet.
Maybe it does or maybe it doesn't, depending on how the FMJ performs. I did a series of science fair projects w/ my son that spanned 3-4 years studying muzzle velocity vs bullet penetration. We used 30 caliber Nosler Balalistic Tips (125 gr, 150 gr, 165 gr and 180 gr) at muzzle velocities from 2400-2650 fps. The bullets were shot into stacks of water soaked newspaper. Just for curiosity, one year he also shot some 150 gr FMJ bullets. I was very surprised to see the FJM's penetrated the least. The FJM's looked they'd been pinched apart into 2 pieces at the cannelure. Placement is important, but penetration and bullet performance also play significant roles.
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Lastly, hole size imo and in my experience has a ton to do with it you hit bone going in. Shooting a deer between the ribs and through just lungs or guts and the bullet doesn't have much to expand, you are lucky to get a half dollar size hole on exit. Take the same bullet and blow through a rib going in and you can easily have a fist size hole going out.
Agreed. I've deer hunted w/ a bunch of different calibers through the years. When I was hunting w/ smaller calibers I used them only in the AM; for many years on PM hunts I only shot a 308 handgun.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 12:26 am to CamdenTiger
quote:Agree. I'd say graze across the top of the back. Seen a cousin of mine do it multiple times.
Spinal shock, probably hit high, and clipped the spine. If they recover, they’ll usually be fine..
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 12:28 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:48 am to White Bear
Had something like that happen on a trip to south Texas a few weeks ago to a new hunter with us on a 10 point. 2 days later another guy shot it and it had a crease across his back.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:48 am to SOLA
It's always possible the bullet did everything right but hit the back shoulder shattering it and never going all the way through. My son shot a doe this year and this is what happened. No blood at all. She fell on the edge of the food plot. I wouldn't think he went far in that case. Yours sounds like a spine shot.
One year my dad shot one like 200 yards off and hit low and just blew off the lower half of its it's front 2 legs. A deer can run a long way on 2 nubs for legs.
One year my dad shot one like 200 yards off and hit low and just blew off the lower half of its it's front 2 legs. A deer can run a long way on 2 nubs for legs.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:02 am to tigereye58
throw away the ballistic tips and get coreloks.... they bleed and they drop. I haven't had to trail a deer in over 5 years that I shot. 3 of those shots were over 200 yds.
as for your shot. I'm going with spinal shock too. A guy in our lease had the same thing happen on opening day this year. dropped him.... got down and looked and he disappeared. Only found a few drops of blood. I got him on camera on the other side of the lease a few days later carrying his front leg with what looks like a high shoulder wound. And that was with a 7 mag.
as for your shot. I'm going with spinal shock too. A guy in our lease had the same thing happen on opening day this year. dropped him.... got down and looked and he disappeared. Only found a few drops of blood. I got him on camera on the other side of the lease a few days later carrying his front leg with what looks like a high shoulder wound. And that was with a 7 mag.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:11 am to ElDawgHawg
You shot high and that silver tip fragmented and went in every direction. Not enough to fatally wound him but enough to shock his spine causing lower half paralyzes maybe long term or short term. But he was able to get over intial trauma of bullet impact pretty quick and crawl off. Silver tip bullets are world renowned for that even though 47K people will come on here with positive testimonials about them. Bottom line it only takes once on the right deer for you to file 13 those worthless varmint loads.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:12 am to Boat Motor Bandit
spinal shooting a buck at 220 yards is worse than gut shooting coyotes.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:18 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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that silver tip fragmented and went in every direction
You realize that fragmenting is generally a good thing right? On a whitetail that it, where penetration is not a huge concern.
With any rifle over say a .243, penetration on a whitetail is not a necessity. They all penetrate plenty, bigger game is a different story. Fragmenting is an ER doc's worst nightmare, all those pieces going all over. If you shoot them anywhere close to where you are supposed to, fragmenting is going to kill them too.
If I say it once I'll say it 1000 times, the bullet is not the issue in 99% of cases. Shoot a whitetail in the heart or lungs and the type of bullet won't matter. There's not many shots where the type of bullet actually does matter.
There's naysayers and fan boys of every bullet out there.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:31 am to baldona
Well I have hunted over 40+ years, reloaded for 20+ back thru the 80 and 90's, Have read in magazines and on the net for my entire life. Listened and took advice from every professional from military to civilian status on ammo and loads. You are the very first person that has ever made the statement that fragmenting was a good thing in a whitetail deer load. I'm done and this is the only rebuttal comment I will make to you Baldona. Have a good day kind sir. I'm out.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:56 am to Boat Motor Bandit
Ha, sorry I meant fragments not fragmenting. Obviously you want the core of your bullet to stay together.
But the fact is fragments create more wound channels that create more damage. There's really no arguing that? if you are shooting a 90 grain .243 staying together is better, but if you are shooting a 200 grain bullet having some pieces fall off is not a big deal.
The problem with whitetails that I see over and over, is that bullets are often made for penetration and the exit hole ends up being smaller than a half dollar coin because the bullet goes in between the ribs and through both lungs. MY FIL shot a buck the other day with a soft nose 30-06 bullet and it took us closet to 10 minutes to find the exit hole on a double lung high shot. The hair covered the small exit.
The lungs don't have much mass to them. Sure that's going to kill a deer and it turns the inside to soup. But if you don't hit both lungs or you hit a bit far back and just the stomach, that small exit and wound channel isn't as good.
Call me crazy but I prefer a bullet that performs well with a good shot, there's only so much a bullet can do on a bad shot.
But the fact is fragments create more wound channels that create more damage. There's really no arguing that? if you are shooting a 90 grain .243 staying together is better, but if you are shooting a 200 grain bullet having some pieces fall off is not a big deal.
The problem with whitetails that I see over and over, is that bullets are often made for penetration and the exit hole ends up being smaller than a half dollar coin because the bullet goes in between the ribs and through both lungs. MY FIL shot a buck the other day with a soft nose 30-06 bullet and it took us closet to 10 minutes to find the exit hole on a double lung high shot. The hair covered the small exit.
The lungs don't have much mass to them. Sure that's going to kill a deer and it turns the inside to soup. But if you don't hit both lungs or you hit a bit far back and just the stomach, that small exit and wound channel isn't as good.
Call me crazy but I prefer a bullet that performs well with a good shot, there's only so much a bullet can do on a bad shot.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:15 pm to HogBalls
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ballistic tips.
say no more...i will never allow ballistic tips anywhere close to my rifle. they are the devil.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:22 pm to baldona
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Bullet doesn't matter,
this is nuts. Thats the thing about ballistic tips, they purposely explode when entering. So you either get a DRT deer, or the times they run off (like this one), you never find a drop of blood or the deer.
Seen it far too many times. I want my bullet to exit.
ETA - sorry i missed the sarcasm, but i still disagree
Ballistic tips intentionally put all of their energy at the point of contact, and most of the time do not exit. Being that the exit wound on a deer is what leaves the blood trail, its pretty obvious that you are wrong here. Bullets are part of the problem in the OP's scenario.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:37 pm to SportTiger1
Nothing wrong with Ballistic tips. Seen them kill a bunch of deer in .308, 257 WBY, and 300 WBY.
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